Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@Machpants yeah problem is no 2 incidents are identical so hard to say a precedent has been set by this or previous hearings, but as I said earlier, the key is to not plead guilty anymore.
Given they often term as foul play rather than accidental, in my mind foul play is filth or being a fluffybunny, whereas accidental is, well, accidental.
Words.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup news:
Words
Definitely. Is it accidental if the perpetrator is being careless/reckless?
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
The French hate the English anyway, maybe the crowd can give him the Quade Cooper treatment and boo him everytime he touches the ball?
Hopefully the Irish will start this weekend
Would love to see the look on his Dad's face if it does happen
Outraged
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Dan54 Yep, two judiciary panels and two different offences.
Farrell - dangerous tackle - Law 9.13 - mid-range: suspension of 6 games if guilty
Moala - tip tackle - Law 9.18 - mid-range: suspension of 10 games if guiltyThe thing is, Farrell by all means looked guillty and because of the head contact, should have a mid-range starting point, but what Moala did probably didn't warrant a mid-range starting point, because the Canadian player didn't land dangerously (as far as I can see) and they should have applied a low-range starting point of 6 games. I can't remember Moala being a repeat offender, so he'd ended up with a 3-week ban. Farrell is a repeat offender but gets off the hook every damn time, so they'll probably consider him having a blank sheet, too.
Result would and should have (at least) been 3 weeks suspension for both, but we end up with Moala getting 5 and Farrell zero.
Mate I not arguing about what I thought was right or wrong, made it clear I thought he should go for at least 6 weeks. Merely saying all the teeth gnashing a waste of time, it is not a WR cock up, I think it a judiciary one. And even comparing Moal's sentence and Farrell is like hitting yourself, one was found guilty and one was found not guilty, probably because (like in a lot of law courts) he had a good lawyer. Easier to just move on.
Who elects / assembles the disciplinary panel?
The Government of the country in which the incident took place?
Or World Rugby?
Have no idea Mike. I assume there is some kind of board or something.
Never really something I thought about. There must be someway it done, is there a worldwide group of names of legal people and ex players etc? -
@Bones well I would prefer to be charged with catekess driving than reckless driving...anyway we have had this discussion before so I'll stop now.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Bones well I would prefer to be charged with catekess driving than reckless driving...anyway we have had this discussion before so I'll stop now.
I’d hate to be charged with catekess driving too. Sounds bad!
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catekess: carelessness, but with less care.
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Interesting from Dawson, an English WC winner
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I hate myself for agreeing with Nasty Sonja, but I agree with Sonja.
https://x.com/sonjamclaughlan/status/1691732423657066912?s=46
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
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@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
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@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
@NTA said in Rugby World Cup news:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby World Cup news:
Sounds like World Rugby are going to appeal. Good.
Somebody moisten that bus ticket in preparation, eh?
They are clearly feeling the heat. In Dublin they are spending all their time trying to work out how lenient they can be and get away with it
Just look at how pathetic Sexton's sentence was, and halve it
Seriously if I'd said that to a match official here in club land I'd get 6 weeks and probably 12.
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i cant believe they didnt give him say 3 weeks, miss a couple of warm up matches and a group game...back fresh for play offs.....the outcry over a "light" sentence would die off much quicker than clearing him
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I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
i cant believe they didnt give him say 3 weeks, miss a couple of warm up matches and a group game...back fresh for play offs.....the outcry over a "light" sentence would die off much quicker than clearing him
From memory, Low End for dangerous tackle starts at 2 weeks. No reduction in this case as he's a repeat offender and should have learned his lesson at tackle school.
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New twist in Owen Farrell saga as World Cup hopes hang in the balance
World Rugby have appealed the disciplinary verdict which rescinded the red card handed out to Owen Farrell in England’s World Cup warm-up win over Wales.
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
Interesting from Dawson, an English WC winner
Except he's being obtuse ot outstandingly ignorant. Community rugby has a clear guideline for waist or below.
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@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
That's not a bad idea at all Chim, same if it's wanted to increase the sentence, can still have a judiciary hearing. Though to be fair should still be in same timeline etc.
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@chimoaus said in Rugby World Cup news:
I think a mandatory 3 week ban for an on field red should be standard so this can never happen. Especially with the new dedicated review system. The lawyers can then try to get it down to 3 from a higher ban. The fact Farrell has been found not guilty from clear head contact and with previous offences is just retarded.
What you seem to be suggesting is basically that the ref/bunker also becomes a judicial officer who can impose suspensions. To me that would be unacceptable. There should always be a fair hearing to establish guilt first.
It would be similar to a cop arresting someone caught in the act of committing a criminal offence and already imposing a minimum sentence without the arrested person first getting a fair trial to establish guilt, where the prosecutor has to submit the evidence to an independent court. Nobody would accept a cop becoming judge & jury.
To me this isn't any different, especially because we've seen again and again how bad officiating can be and how TMOs make mistakes. It would also put refs/TMOs under unnecessary pressure. Good, experienced refs could probably handle that, but you only have to think about all the abuse Ben O'Keefe received after the SRP final and you can see the problem.
