Most valuable player in WC to team
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@KiwiMurph Sexton for Ireland
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@MN5 said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
Hogg for Scotland.
Don’t know why I’m writing this, I’ll be flabbergasted if they make it out of the group stages to be honest.
I'd put Finn Russell ahead of Hogg these days on the importance to the team.
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@MajorRage said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@MN5 said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
Hogg for Scotland.
Don’t know why I’m writing this, I’ll be flabbergasted if they make it out of the group stages to be honest.
I'd put Finn Russell ahead of Hogg these days on the importance to the team.
Yeah but the coaches don’t.
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Ireland: J Sexton
France: Dupont
NZ: A Smith
SA: E Etzebeth
England: M Itoje
Australia: Q Cooper
Scotland: S Hogg
Argentina: J Montoya
Wales: D Biggar -
@Crucial said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
It is damning of "Super" rugby that the standard of play at 10 in both NZ and Australia has fallen off a cliff.
It starts way before Super Rugby. College Rugby and the effect of TV showings blowing smoke up young fellas is a big part. You can add to that the loss of any sort of apprenticeship for 10s and the desire of coaches at school/club levels to put big munters at 12 to get go forward and ask the 10 to just be a shoveller.
Agree with your post but just wondering where those big munters are at Super Rugby level? Must stop growing.
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@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
If Aaron Smith gets injured in August we may as well stay home
Or go and play and allow Fozzie to break another record by not getting out of the pool stage
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Wales - Faletau
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@Mackerzzzz said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
France: Dupont
SA: E Etzebeth
England: M ItojeFrance - I think DuPont’s backup will do a good job, but I reckon if one of the French midfield go down they are in a massive hole given so much of their play on both sides of the ball centre on them playing well.
SA - agree from a leadership perspective. He seems to get the other guys fired up (for better or worse)
England - the gap between Itoje’s level of play and the next cab off the rank is massive. But whilst this might not be a popular choice, Farrell is probably more important to England’s chances.
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@ACT-Crusader yeah, I'm quite surprised how underrated Fickou is. I'd say if he's not level with Dupont in terms of a difference maker, he's not far off.
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Pretty much agree with what's been written above but I'd go for Kolisi for Sth Africa.
France is interesting as while Dupont is an unbelievable player, they seem to have so much talent across the park, you could name quite a few players in the MVP category.
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For the Springboks
1 Eben Etzebeth. He is the fire in the pack.
2. Frans Malherbe. TH is the most important position.
3. Damian Willemse. He improved and can slot in 15, 12 & 10. His set of skills changed the Bok backline into a totally different proposition. -
@broughie said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@Crucial said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
It is damning of "Super" rugby that the standard of play at 10 in both NZ and Australia has fallen off a cliff.
It starts way before Super Rugby. College Rugby and the effect of TV showings blowing smoke up young fellas is a big part. You can add to that the loss of any sort of apprenticeship for 10s and the desire of coaches at school/club levels to put big munters at 12 to get go forward and ask the 10 to just be a shoveller.
Agree with your post but just wondering where those big munters are at Super Rugby level? Must stop growing.
Found out.
Rugby gets hard when you start to play against adults, and they've not learned how to work hard as they haven't had to.
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@booboo said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@broughie said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@Crucial said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
@mariner4life said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
It is damning of "Super" rugby that the standard of play at 10 in both NZ and Australia has fallen off a cliff.
It starts way before Super Rugby. College Rugby and the effect of TV showings blowing smoke up young fellas is a big part. You can add to that the loss of any sort of apprenticeship for 10s and the desire of coaches at school/club levels to put big munters at 12 to get go forward and ask the 10 to just be a shoveller.
Agree with your post but just wondering where those big munters are at Super Rugby level? Must stop growing.
Found out.
Rugby gets hard when you start to play against adults, and they've not learned how to work hard as they haven't had to.
Partly and partly because size is relative. An early developer at school level can be average against other s once they grow.
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@cgrant said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
I am surprised no one has named Tyrell Lomax. THP is one of the most important positions in modern rugby and there is daylight between him and the rest.
One of my favourite players cg, when he first came back I was in raptures to see a prop who scrummed with such a straight back, personally reckon it allows for good scrumming locks behind to put all their power through them.
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@MajorRage said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
What’s with all the THP is the most important position bullshit rising up again?
Never has been, never will be.
Good for scrums, useless elsewhere.
In the days when there were lots of scrums, and they were contestable, there was some merit in it. Now, hardly at all. Since the AB scrum will take the ball regardless of TH, we are talking about one extra quality possession a game with Lomax? That scarcely makes him the MVP.
Hooker throwing the ball to the lineout has far more bearing on quality possession nowadays. And he's part of the front row too.
If you want old-school, then our goal-kickers are far more likely to determine the winner than the TH prop. Jordie's ability to plug them from long range may well be key.
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@MajorRage said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
What’s with all the THP is the most important position bullshit rising up again?
Never has been, never will be.
Good for scrums, useless elsewhere.
Red Beard and Bart would kill you if they were still around for a comment like this
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@MajorRage said in Most valuable player in WC to team:
What’s with all the THP is the most important position bullshit rising up again?
Never has been, never will be.
Good for scrums, useless elsewhere.
In terms of defense, the THP is very important because he is usually the doorkeeper next to the rucks because he is among the lasts to get there after a scrum or a lineout. Remember the missed tackles by THPs which led to tries against the ABs this year.
Having a good scrum is a necessity, even if there aren't many during a game nowadays. Being penalized again and again because your THP is loosing his battle against the opposition's LHP could be decisive.
Moreover, I've pointed out Lomax because there is a huge gap between him and the rest. I know a hooker is probably a more important position than THP but if NZ loose Taukei'aho, there is still Taylor or even Coles behind him.
