NPC 2023
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@taniwharugby Would be hard to justify, too, as SR Aupiki is only a 4 team competition and they play far too few games without a home-and-away round robin.
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@mariner4life Your idea, of a potential structure based upon the NRL's integration of lower levels, was one of the better suggestions I've seen.
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@mariner4life Your idea, of a potential structure based upon the NRL's integration of lower levels, was one of the better suggestions I've seen.
recap @mariner4life ?
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@Kiwiwomble think everything ran concurrently, club, npc, super
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the more we talk...the more it also feels weird to be super > club > NPC with international scatter inbetween...seems a like it doesn't flow
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@KiwiMurph said in NPC 2023:
Damn, they could have used pics of Rush and Brooke, although the Greeks give it a 300ish vibe.
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@KiwiMurph credit where it is due, great work Auckland rugby still calling out that BS tweet
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You know when we had best provincial comp??
When we has 3 divisions.
I think some boffins who are much clever than me can mybe come up with a system, 3rd div amateur, 2nd div a bit of money and then proper semi pro top div?
I know it will lead to players moving (as it did pre pro days anyway) , but just a thought. I was on a provincial board in those days (of a 3rd div union) and there was pretty good interet, we only playing teams of own strength etc, and it worked! I know we will have cries of how will we get promotion/relegation, and I don't have all answers. but one thing would be to show finacials as well as playing ability to get promotion?
Just a thought fellas, so just call me an idiot quietly huh??
I will add I love NPC, but understand the problems etc. And we can't lose it or really end up with too short of a season, as NZ generally needs club rugby played when it is. -
Anyone got access to today's newsletter from Dylan Cleaver?
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It's very affordable - I think it's something like 10 bucks for a year?
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Ah yes, well I didn't say which currency I was talking about...
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funny thing i know club teams whos budget is $500000 and most at least $180000
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The NZ Herald posted a report from the Auckland/Harbour game. They pointed out that they don't post about the NPC, because no one reads it.
So, that's another data point to ignore while the NPC closes in upon extinction.
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@ploughboy said in NPC 2023:
funny thing i know club teams whos budget is $500000 and most at least $180000
WTF really? in melbourne we get about 30-35k in subs, main sponsor is 10k, shoulder is 5k and then training tops are a couple each, so say another 25k in sponsors, so a generous 60k a year...thats why we cant afford to build clubrooms
can you say which club?
The NZ Herald posted a report from the Auckland/Harbour game. They pointed out that they don't post about the NPC, because no one reads it.
So, that's another data point to ignore while the NPC closes in upon extinction.
its a chicken and egg deal at the moment, we can just as easily say people arent interested because no one (NZR, PU, Media) are doing a good job hyping it....we might have to use some of the silverlake money to get people interested in it again...have to spend money to make money etc
interesting, they talk of a 1.1m cap, i say a thing in the net yesterday with a news report from 2006 about the NPC...im sure it said they wanted a cap of 2M then...suggesting teams were paying more than that back then, a huge drop
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They'll be comparing clicks relative other articles on the site.
Anyway here's the line mentioning why the paper doesn't cover NPC scores anymore (this story wasn't really discussing the match, it was more about the decline of the comp)
The score — in case anyone is wondering, since an absence of reader interest means they’re no longer reported on this site — was 43-21
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@ploughboy said in NPC 2023:
funny thing i know club teams whos budget is $500000 and most at least $180000
budget isn't the same as salary though - presumably those clubs aren't paying their players.
500k is a lot!
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Based on what I was told some club players get paid a sum comparable to NPC contracts. It might be the same club @ploughboy is talking about.
Like the SR salary cap, the NPC salary cap is largely meaningless if you are just topping up player's SR contracts. That becomes more of an issue with the "haves" and "have nots" where the quality of the players you have in your squad is even wider between say, an Auckland and a Southland.
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Like the SR salary cap, the NPC salary cap is largely meaningless if you are just topping up player's SR contracts. That becomes more of an issue with the "haves" and "have nots" where the quality of the players you have in your squad is even wider between say, an Auckland and a Southland.
Which creates other problems too. Auckland had ~27 SR players, plus a couple of NZ u20's they wanted in the squad.. leaving almost no room for selections from club form
I think the Cantabs might be even worse ~30 SR players?
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@Duluth and then any ABs on the books are likely paid minimal and NZR pay it anyway, and then they don't often run in thier provincial colours anyway.
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i know i said budget but this is what i was told clubs are spending on there top team and does not include any other teams they have. . i know of at least two clubs where every player gets paid for each appearance. the person who told me lead me to believe that all clubs in this comp are paying players and this was the amounts they were spending.
@Bovidae im sure we will be talking about the same club and im sure you can guess the other. -
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@Stargazer thats a handy pickup
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If it was a provincial competition Taranaki would pick the next best lock from their local clubs
But it stopped being that a while ago
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Have Taranaki got more injuries at lock, or not expecting Lord back anytime soon?
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@Duluth If provinces could only field local players, the competition would always favour the big provinces, who have a much larger player pool. Auckland would have too many players and talented, deserving players would miss out, while a small province wouldn't have sufficient players of an adequate level to field a competitive team.
The competition wouldn't be fair.
Fielding local players should be the starting point, but it isn't always realistic.
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You were just complaining about a HB player going to Southland and an Aucklander playing for HB. It's the same point
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@Duluth No, it isn't exactly the same point, because the player who left for Southland was already contracted to the Magpies and is an NPC level player with sufficient experience.
Fielding a local player in that case was realistic. It isn't always realistic, because local players may not be of an adequate level. I don't know, for example, whether there is a lock of adequate level available in Taranaki to fill that spot now taken by Franklin.
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@Stargazer said in NPC 2023:
Fielding a local player in that case was realistic. It isn't always realistic, because local players may not be of an adequate level.
Then the province should lose games
Depends if we want a provincial competition or a retarded franchise competition.
I can't believe you want to gut a core concept of the NPC like this. Club flows to NPC. It's the strength of NZ rugby blah blah blah
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but wouldnt players further down the pecking order at a big union move around to the smaller ones (properly move and play club, not just fly in for game day) to get game time and hopefully get a fully professional contract?
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Friendly draw for Canterbury.
Play Wellington in Chch who are coming off of a storm week consisting of 2 Shield games.
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Paladin as well, but doesn’t have their badge
Here's the paladin store. The other team with a retro jersey is Harbour https://nz.paladin.sport/products/
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