Bledisloe 1
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones but hes obviously not or at least not as comfortable as reece....
you seem to not want WJ on the wing...but also not want him anywhere else?
Or he's just not as good!
Nah, not really interested in him elsewhere unless required, if he can't perform on the wing. No idea what's going on with him, but he looks disinterested a lot of the time - that will be shown up tenfold at fullback.
agreed, maybe he's not, but there has been plenty to suggest he might be a pretty good...so was just suggesting making sure before casting him aside
I disagree that wing is any easier than fullback where if your not good at one you cant be good at the other, theyre just different positions, we have already seen jordie look average at 14 but much more comfortable at 15
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe 1:
Maybe
ClarkeJordan should make way for Reece.
ClarkeJordan has been weak on defence and has made a few mistakes.Reece has a much higher work rate thanClarkeJordan who makes a couple of Runs in a game and not much else as far as work rate..I know right 😉
Shaky hand there ? you put the line through through the wrong player.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
I disagree that wing is any easier than fullback where if your not good at one you cant be good at the other, theyre just different positions, we have already seen jordie look average at 14 but much more comfortable at 15
Says the hooker
to the contrary - we've already seen Jordan look comfortable on the wing. Maybe he needs a de Groot style kick up the arse? -
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@Nevorian said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
Clarke and Jordan are going to absolutely smoke it this weekend.
I don’t care what they choose to do after their Thursday night rugby game as long as it’s 1-0 to the good guys in the Bledisloe
it's a long weekend ok!
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
I think Clarke's power is a nice point of difference that we didn't have last year. With finally getting consistent footy he's showing improvement week on week.
Let's just hope his boots have longer sprigs this time.
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@Bones i dont actually disagree with anything you're saying...i just dont know why anyone would be SO against just seeing him in what i thought was generally accepted as his best position
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones i dont actually disagree with anything you're saying...i just dont know why anyone would be SO against just seeing him in what i thought was generally accepted as his best position
Because he's been lackadaisical and uncommitted and that would be exposed brutally at fullback against a side who see this as probably their best chance in 20 years to get a hand on the bledisloe and perhaps even a win at EP.
I don't know why anyone would be SO for taking such a risk.
You can't hide a shit fullback at fullback.
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I saw an interview with Fozzie a little while back , maybe a month ago , and he was questioned on Jordan at FB ,
And he said we are trying to get them to play sort of dual fullback roles regardless of their numbers , we like what Jordie Brings with his more defensive aspects , high ball , kicking game etc and we are trying to get Will involved in a roving role injecting himself into the play on attack .
Doesnt seem to be working
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@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones i dont actually disagree with anything you're saying...i just dont know why anyone would be SO against just seeing him in what i thought was generally accepted as his best position
Because he's been lackadaisical and uncommitted and that would be exposed brutally at fullback against a side who see this as probably their best chance in 20 years to get a hand on the bledisloe and perhaps even a win at EP.
I don't know why anyone would be SO for taking such a risk.
You can't hide a shit fullback at fullback.
going to have to just leave this one then, i dont think hes a shit fullback so we're starting from very different places
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Bones i dont actually disagree with anything you're saying...i just dont know why anyone would be SO against just seeing him in what i thought was generally accepted as his best position
Because he's been lackadaisical and uncommitted and that would be exposed brutally at fullback against a side who see this as probably their best chance in 20 years to get a hand on the bledisloe and perhaps even a win at EP.
I don't know why anyone would be SO for taking such a risk.
You can't hide a shit fullback at fullback.
going to have to just leave this one then, i dont think hes a shit fullback so we're starting from very different places
He's pretty good at super rugby.
So is Codie Taylor.
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@game_film said in Bledisloe 1:
Looking forward to seeing Hoskins launch a 40m pass off his left for a try. Hope he goes well.
ill be more impressed if his defence and ball carrying is up to the required levels
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@kiwiinmelb we've run the dual fullback thing for many years now, could argue since Cully/Goldie.
But was probably Dagg/Jane that perfected it and upped the all round skills.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 1:
This doesn't get much better for the All Blacks IF and it's a big IF we can actually string two good performances together.
Pack rejigged and no Tupou, backline even more rejigged with a new First Five, inexperienced centre pairing, Nick White on the bench. This is a walk-up if ever there was a walk-up.
We win this, takes the pressure off at Eden Park and allows us to play more of the squad players.
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@Crucial said in Bledisloe 1:
@Billy-Tell said in Bledisloe 1:
Hmmm. I see the akira is awesome posts again. Bloody well show us please akira with a dominant display off the bench rather than an ok-ish one.
TBF there’s only one poster dying on that hill.
He’s a good player no doubt but the fact is that it’s not just Foster but Ryan as well that can see that he doesn’t match the desire for a straight running charger. They want someone that tackles with their shoulder more than their arms and drives with their legs in contact rather than trying to step.
No, just one that can be bothered arguing with the usual suspects about it.
Everything you wrote up there describes Akira's game. FFS.
We must have our players mixed up then 😀
No, just that you are pretty wrong (as usual) about how he plays.
OK thanks. I'll let Jase Ryan know as well.
The selectors have been really clear about the style and attributes they want from their 6 and by their actions they agree with me. You seem to be the only one that sees Akira differently.
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@TheMojoman said in Bledisloe 1:
takes the pressure off at Eden Park and allows us to play more of the squad players
Have we already lost the EP record? Because if not, I really don't think that's correct.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Nepia im grasping at straws here but i thought he played much better than expected last time he played at 6?....didn;t he?
I actually think his game against England was better than this year, but he's still not a 6.
@Winger said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe 1:
@Nepia im grasping at straws here but i thought he played much better than expected last time he played at 6?....didn;t he?
Thats as I remember it. The consensus was he went well
Bro, I posted a few weeks back that I think the Fern has lost the plot with the consensus rating of Scooter this year. As discussed then he seems to look the part more than be the part. But he's had low metres and high missed tackle stats a few times this year while appearing regularly in the MOTM voting.
Anyway, I hope he lives up to the hype and has a good game on Thursday.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe 1:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe 1:
@Kirwan i don't think you can play Savea and Akira in the same starting pack even behind teh england 2003 tight 5.
I don't give a shit about the chat on here. the only thing SF did was smack rucks and run straight, oh and tackle with a shoulder. Far from perfect but it made the team better. Akira might want to think about that.
See this is the silliness I'm talking about. Akira has done everything that Frizzell has done recently (with the exception of throwing away tries), including tackling hard and running hard (once through four Irish defenders for a try).
Savea and Akira have combined well on many occasions, this is a classic Fern myth brewing. One of the dumber ones too.
to how many fucking losses??
Fuck i'm starting to see where the Cantabs are coming from
You of all people know i'm a fan. BUT, and there is a huge but, just perhaps how the guy plays doesn't translate to the team playing well. Is he a "better" 6 than Barrett? I believe yes. Is the way he plays 6 the best for THIS AB team? perhaps not.
That one half he played v Ireland was inspired. Has he reached those heights again? No. Has the AB play looked the best in the games he hasn't played? yes
Draw your own conclusions. I'm out
I dunno man, our worst loss of the year was against a very limited Argentinian side at home. There's absolutely no excuse for that, and both SF and SB played in that loss.
The loosies are really the backs of the forward pack. If the tight 5 does their job they tend to shine (e.g. SA 2), and when they don't the loosies generally struggle (e.g. v Ireland).
Akira has been good this year and is absolutely not the reason for the ABs poor performances. Frizell lives a fucking charmed life in the black jersey.
