Wallabies v Springboks 1
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@Higgins said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
A clear cut case of the pot calling the kettle black. Obviously he cannot remember the fiasco visiting teams to SA had to endure for the best part of 80 years.
Messrs Gourlay, Bezuidenhout, Robertse leading the way in an very distinguished alumniNot having seen the match but knowing Paul Williams is the man in question might explain some of his angst.
His big one was the most awesome tackle Marika did. He got his arm up, but the impact was so dynamic it never actually wrapped. Totally sour grapes, it was a thing of beauty as a tackle, sprinting from the opposite wing to blow the bok both out of play and forcing him to lose possession. If Ma pimply had dived low, as in actually for the try line rather than a big leap to (illegally) go over the tackler, he may well have scored
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Agree with this bit
“Williams bought into play-acting from Australia scrumhalf Nic White whose actions have no place in the sport at all.”Will at least it looked like play-acting. But FdK did hit Whites face with his fist so maybe it warrants a yellow card
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@MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
Tremendous win for Australia
Quite frankly any match reffed by Williams is a hard watch
True dat. Not one of our better exports.
The things being complained about though could be made a bit more quiet by better communication though. The tackle in the corner if he clearly explained that he saw enough use of the arm to be consistent with the rest of the game.
Personally I didn’t think that the timing was right with the arm and if timing is so very important in things like head contact or aerial contests then it should be in this case. The whole point in union of having to use the arms in a tackle is to lessen the impact of a pointed shoulder. If you arm hasn’t come around enough because of late timing then you’ve got it wrong IMO.
Blaming Williams is crazy though. For some odd reason the Boks go well away from their successful game plans when they play Australia. It’s like they are suddenly scared to use the high ball that works so well for them. They get more passive in defence and get moved around too much. They should be doing the opposite and forcing Oz into a grind. -
@Winger said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
Agree with this bit
“Williams bought into play-acting from Australia scrumhalf Nic White whose actions have no place in the sport at all.”Will at least it looked like play-acting. But FdK did hit Whites face with his fist so maybe it warrants a yellow card
It was a open hand slap, I really think penalty only. Following the head protocol, no danger, PK. Then reversed for simulation. But I can see how yellow was an option in today's environment. It's not like the other refs disagreed or even demurred at all
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@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It’s like they are suddenly scared to use the high ball that works so well for them. They get more passive in defence and get moved around too much.
Weird, eh? They surely watched Argentina bomb us to death and our back 3 crumble under pressure.
They should be doing the opposite and forcing Oz into a grind.
Which I expect this week in Sydney. Not sure if I'm allowed to attend given my Covid status but that new stadium looks awesome. Tempting.
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I may be totally wrong here, as the YouTube highlights on the SANZAR channel didnt actually show where the offence was, but .... the 79th minute yellow card for the Aussies. Where the ref was heading (presumably to the penalty mark) and where the saffa took the quick tap from didnt appear as if they were going to be in the same post code. Of course someone was going to caught offside if you allow the attacking team to cheat.
Grinds my gears.
Defence stop a cheating try and rewarded with a yellow card.
Crimes against Rugby.
79th minute , leading by heaps, doesn't matter .... except to people who hate seeing an incorrect choice between terrible, soft, illegal trys or terrible yellows.
But, I could be wrong ... see first sentence ...
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P.s. highlights package didnt even show the Korobiete tackle everyone on here is talking about. Sounds like a fantastic piece of rugby action that should make any highlights package.
Regardless of whether it is then slowed down to a hundredth of its real speed while amateur physiologists try to compare arm wrapping speeds to shoulder rimpact speeds. That part sounds like real fun, I'm so sad I haven't been able to join in with this must-see part of being a rugby fan.
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@Rapido said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
P.s. highlights package didnt even show the Korobiete tackle everyone on here is talking about. Sounds like a fantastic piece of rugby action that should make any highlights package.
Regardless of whether it is then slowed down to a hundredth of its real speed while amateur physiologists try to compare arm wrapping speeds to shoulder rimpact speeds. That part sounds like real fun, I'm so sad I haven't been able to join in with this must-see part of being a rugby fan.
There's a saffa whine fest about it already, just search you tube for worst ref performance ever lol
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Ok I googled 'Korobiete try saving tackle '.
Wow, what a tackle!
Brilliant.
Not even a smidgen of controversy.
That is what rugby is all about. Therefore it should be banned and we should all listen to millions of waaaaaaaaaaahs for a fortnight, until the next game.
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@Winger said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
Agree with this bit
“Williams bought into play-acting from Australia scrumhalf Nic White whose actions have no place in the sport at all.”Will at least it looked like play-acting. But FdK did hit Whites face with his fist so maybe it warrants a yellow card
You may want to re-watch that footage. There's no fist, it's a open handed slap which would be akin to being hit by wet lettuce leaf. White should've been penalised for bringing the game into disrepute.
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The theatrical ballet-like appearance of Mapimpi's legs floating up above the small group of pursuants blocking the main camera angle is just so visually beautiful. So unexpected.
Wow , what a piece of sport! A moment to be celebrated and used in rugby promotion videos for years to come!
Oops, I mean
I hate it, waaaaaaaaaaah, unlike the jogging speed IRB instructional videos, one of his arms didn't fully wrap against a bullet fast suddenly leaping moving object. Wah.
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@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@MiketheSnow said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
Tremendous win for Australia
Quite frankly any match reffed by Williams is a hard watch
True dat. Not one of our better exports.
The things being complained about though could be made a bit more quiet by better communication though. The tackle in the corner if he clearly explained that he saw enough use of the arm to be consistent with the rest of the game.
Personally I didn’t think that the timing was right with the arm and if timing is so very important in things like head contact or aerial contests then it should be in this case. The whole point in union of having to use the arms in a tackle is to lessen the impact of a pointed shoulder. If you arm hasn’t come around enough because of late timing then you’ve got it wrong IMO.There's no attempt to make a legal tackle because his arm is down against the side of his own body, not raised to grab the attacker. The only reason I'd ignore it in review is Mapimpi trying to dive over Koroibete.
Blaming Williams is crazy though.
Agreed - they were the architects of their own demise in the first 50mins. The worrying aspect for the Wallabies is how the score line ended up being as close as it was in the end.
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@Rapido you've told us this over and over. Glad you enjoyed it.
Personally I think it was worth a closer look. This isn't league. Flying at players like a missile with your arm trailing shouldn't be part of union.
Yes, it was an awesome piece of effort up to the contact but also something we see far too often. Yes it was also spectacular. -
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
The only reason I'd ignore it in review is Mapimpi trying to dive over Koroibete.
What's that got to do with anything? He cant hurdle and everyone goes off their feet diving for the corner.
As you can see from that photo he still has feet on the ground at contact. His jumping only made his landing more spectacular. -
@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
The only reason I'd ignore it in review is Mapimpi trying to dive over Koroibete.
What's that got to do with anything?
Because they're both penalizable. So to me the Wallabies end up with the ball anyway with the leap being the second offence.
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@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Crucial said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
The only reason I'd ignore it in review is Mapimpi trying to dive over Koroibete.
What's that got to do with anything?
Because they're both penalizable. So to me the Wallabies end up with the ball anyway with the leap being the second offence.
Just as debatable that he jumped into the tackle. He had transferred his weight by the evidence of what happened but his feet were on the ground at the moment of contact.
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