All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Back to the game, for those pointing at the selections as the answer to the turnaround, I would say these three factors were more important that who played;
- Ryan's simplifcation of the forward roles and changing their focus
- The ref not allowing the Boks to rest as much (team tactics to keep the ball as well and move them around)
- JB taking more of the higher kicks (good pressure on the kicker and good skill execution)
BB at 10 and Akira at 6 and QT at 12 we get the same result off the back of that forward performance too.
That's conjecture. No doubt some things would have gone as well, but others not.
One thing which I really liked was Bok kick offs being returned by Richie to around halfway. BB doesn't seem reliable in that role.
They were playing at altitude, everyone looks like an amazing punter at Ellis Park. Also, that ignores the multiple times we didn't exit well at all costing us points.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
It seemed Razor was initially chilled, but maybe that was because he knew two losses in SA and he'd get the gig?
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@Dan54 I think Ryan’s interview where he talked about defining roles is the key. The forwards were aimless and in the 2nd test against the Boks they were great at clearing out the rucks and it was rare to see a forward isolated in contact.
Surely Akira can learn to run straight. Fozizzle did this and was effective.
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Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
So you have bought into Fozzie bringing NZ rugby down by accepting that every other team is just better?
I don't buy into anyone's anything. I'm pointing out that Argentina played well against Oz and just as with Ireland and France, the days of easy wins aren't around anymore.
A good, solid, controlled win will be fine. A big score is less important than how we play.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is pathetic -
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
That’s a bigger embarrassment than Foster
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is patheticI'm no Village Of The Damned apologist but I've been to the ground once in 2018. I'm not a tall man (hovering around 6ft) but I found it cramped and uncomfortable, very tight to manoeuvre in and out of the row, and the atmosphere was thick with the aroma of "makeshift" - and secondary school hierarchy of course, but that's another matter...
If I lived in Christchurch, I can understand why punters are reticient to head along.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
I like that idea. Reckon you could get it organised by tonight? Might need a ride to and from the stadium as well. Hate having to find a car park.
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@No-Quarter if true, it certainly aint a great look, can understand him being gutted losing Ryan as his assistant at the crusaders but not be pissed/annoyed at him furthering his career.
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@taniwharugby tbh I'd think less of Razor if he publicly cast any shade at Ryan. I think his ideal vision (like Joseph and Brown) would have been joining the ABs together. Nothing wrong with that at all. From what we know of Robertson I think he'd have been more worried he might lose Ryan in the future if he went down on HMS Fozzie in the meantime.
But I am stoked Ryan is in the mix and clearly pushing some of our game in the right direction. Hard to say how much general coaching IP Ryan will bring from the saders outside of Robertsons personal influence and skills/strats.
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@Smudge said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Why the fuck do NZR bother giving tests to ungrateful cantabs? They never sell out, not even at the old stadium. Fuck them
All Blacks fail to sell out 20,000 seater Orangetheory Stadium
The All Blacks have so far failed to sell out Orangetheory Stadium ahead of their match with Los Pumas this weekend.
Obviously can't speak for anyone else, but I am in the area and considered going to this game. Then I thought about the shitty stadium and the cold weather and thought 'nah'.
And as for Lancaster Park. That place was pretty shitty too.
How about Chch doesn't get any more ABs tests until the spectators are supplied with comfy armchairs, a roof and heated blankets?
Honestly, if you cant fill a 20k ground in a city that size, that is patheticI'm no Village Of The Damned apologist but I've been to the ground once in 2018. I'm not a tall man (hovering around 6ft) but I found it cramped and uncomfortable, very tight to manoeuvre in and out of the row, and the atmosphere was thick with the aroma of "makeshift" - and secondary school hierarchy of course, but that's another matter...
If I lived in Christchurch, I can understand why punters are reticient to head along.
I can understand to an extent but population x supposed “rugby madness” shouldn’t equal this unless you also add in “soft” and “whiners”
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@No-Quarter just repeating what has been said on here from people supposedly in the know.
If true that doesn't reflect well on Razor
Or Jason if you know what happened there.
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Hard to go to that stadium people in CHCH are just fucked off with it
the stadium is made of scaffolding, you walk through near ankle deep water when its raining, the price of the tickets compared to the experience is not worth it.Lets see if all the other tests in NZ sell out or are people losing their love for rugby in NZ, NPC crowds are small in a lot of areas SR crowds were down this season.
Rugby is taking a back seat with kids these days more play Football in NZ.
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@Chris all fair points.
But honestly, it's the All Blacks. Traditionally the best rugby team in the world, playing for the first time in 6 years. And if you don't go, they won't be back untl the MUA is built ... and god knows what ticket prices will be there.
If I was there I'd go. Went to the last NPC final at Lancaster Park in 2010. There were about 2k people there - a bit of rain around, but still a decent stadium.
I'll also just drop in that 45k people went to the Super Final
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris all fair points.
But honestly, it's the All Blacks. Traditionally the best rugby team in the world, playing for the first time in 6 years. And if you don't go, they won't be back untl the MUA is built ... and god knows what ticket prices will be there.
If I was there I'd go. Went to the last NPC final at Lancaster Park in 2010. There were about 2k people there - a bit of rain around, but still a decent stadium.
I'll also just drop in that 45k people went to the Super Final
A lot has happened in Chch,I have seen people on here bagging Cantabs for being ungrateful etc.
If you have lived through an Earthquake and pulled your loved ones crushed from under rubble,Then endured 2 more years of violent tremors wondering every day is it all going to happen today again.
Then some mad man shooting women, children and men dead in a place of worship.
A Chch Council fighting over giving the people a decent stadium they were promised.
Maybe filling a stadium doesn't seem that important.
It gets a bit rich reading some of the shit talked about Cantabs on here.
