All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@taniwharugby Problem is - there's not really anyone demanding to be picked at hooker. There's probably been half a dozen names thrown up in the post-game analysis, but none of them are compelling.
What do they need to do? Demand selection - like Sami T. has.
It is a significant problem right now - Taylor and Coles looking like poorer versions of the latter days of Kevvy and Hore.
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@Chris-B that may be the case, but is irrelevant when Taylor isnt demanding selection either, he is being handed it by default, and then like last night, gets 35 mins over one of our best players in black this season...you'd think being dropped for Sami-T would give him a kick and drive to get better, nope, he is still in a huge hole.
Not saying he is the only issue, just he is basically the beacon for the issue.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby Problem is - there's not really anyone demanding to be picked at hooker. There's probably been half a dozen names thrown up in the post-game analysis, but none of them are compelling.
What do they need to do? Demand selection - like Sami T. has.
It is a significant problem right now - Taylor and Coles looking like poorer versions of the latter days of Kevvy and Hore.
Taylor is demanding to be dropped
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika even thinks Robertson is a great coach a piece from the Pumas press conference.
He’d been asked about No 8 Pablo Matera, who helped the Crusaders win a record-extending 13th Super Rugby crown this year, and played a big hand in a superb performance by the Pumas’ loose forwards
“I think that the Crusaders have made a really huge mark, and Scott Robertson has made a really huge mark on Pablo. He came here to learn more about rugby, didn't come here for money or anything like that, and it shows the quality of the franchise and the coaching here, he's come back a heaps better player - mentally and technically.
That is some A level mind games right there, well played Cheika.
Maybe but is it wrong?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cheika even thinks Robertson is a great coach a piece from the Pumas press conference.
He’d been asked about No 8 Pablo Matera, who helped the Crusaders win a record-extending 13th Super Rugby crown this year, and played a big hand in a superb performance by the Pumas’ loose forwards
“I think that the Crusaders have made a really huge mark, and Scott Robertson has made a really huge mark on Pablo. He came here to learn more about rugby, didn't come here for money or anything like that, and it shows the quality of the franchise and the coaching here, he's come back a heaps better player - mentally and technically.
That is some A level mind games right there, well played Cheika.
I’ve actually changed my opinion on Cheka a bit after watching him on Stan in their rugby media team ,
He has a bit more humorous mischief about him in the Eddie jones mould than I thought
he said he was always fine after a game but I think he has mellowed.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@taniwharugby Problem is - there's not really anyone demanding to be picked at hooker. There's probably been half a dozen names thrown up in the post-game analysis, but none of them are compelling.
What do they need to do? Demand selection - like Sami T. has.
It is a significant problem right now - Taylor and Coles looking like poorer versions of the latter days of Kevvy and Hore.
Taylor is demanding to be dropped
If no replacement is better, at least they'd improve from being in an AB camp? Surely? There is something mightily wrong with Taylor and it is damaging his confidence to play him.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Chris-B that may be the case, but is irrelevant when Taylor isnt demanding selection either, he is being handed it by default.
No doubt - but, I'm really replying to the implication that any of the young hookers who aren't in the squad are hard done by. I don't think any of them have really earned it.
For what it's worth, I'd imagine we'll see Dane Coles off the bench next week.
Overall, I don't think Fozzie's squad selections have been too far off the mark - his game day deployment probably falls a bit short!
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@Chris-B thing is, he or Coles probably shouldn't have been selected for the irish series, and one def not for TRC, this is when they needed to nut up and look at a youngster to blood and throw thier lot in with Sami who has been the best 2 in nz for the last year anyway.
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@taniwharugby Definitely needed to take a punt on new talent. It's hard to "rebuild" when you just select the same old players.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I wouldn't voluntarily play both either. But we don't have any other centres, if you take Reiko out.
It's not like the current set-up offers much, so provided they defend adequately they can't really be worse.
I've cracked it - just swap Clarke and Rieko man for man. That way we get Rieko back on the wing where most seem to want him, and we also get a brand new winger/FB-turned-centre to experiment with.
Magic. I really should be selecting this team.
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@taniwharugby No doubt about Sami. It's heartening to see Ryan immediately make the switch and a bit mystifying seeing him subbed early.
On Taylor and Coles - we said the same about Kev and Hore and I didn't see anyone who I thought was likely to do better in Super rugby. Be interesting what happens at the next selection waypoint. I guess that's the EOYT?
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@Chris-B but they were at least still playing well.
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@taniwharugby One thing we can take away from this season.
When Mako rugby is weak, that ABs are weak!
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@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
Agree. We certainly weren't great but were doing ok. We need to give this new coaching team a bit more time though. It only the first test with Joe Schmidt fully on board so I will wait at least until the Aussie tests. Which is what NZR should have done
More time? More time than the 3 years of substandard results?
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Yeah strange game , at halftime while I didn’t think we were great , I thought we were tracking ok ,
Could see new things I thought were the new coaches at work , and thought that was a bit satisfying
Then fucked if I know what happened second half , we went back to shambles that more resembled the season so far .
Agree. We certainly weren't great but were doing ok. We need to give this new coaching team a bit more time though. It only the first test with Joe Schmidt fully on board so I will wait at least until the Aussie tests. Which is what NZR should have done
More time? More time than the 3 years of substandard results?
A new coaching team now. This team needs at least a few more games to see if it makes any difference
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The most disgusting element of the entire debacle was Perofeta's debut. WTF was the thinking there?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
The most disgusting element of the entire debacle was Perofeta's debut. WTF was the thinking there?
I'm not convinced we have hit rock bottom yet. Will group stage exit in France be Fozzie's Magnum opus?
