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    I rewatched the defensive system as they were cut apart out wide so many times. The loose trio defended very narrow to negate the Boks strengths (maul - watch Cane and Savea each side on every maul, plus pressure at scrum time):

    • Mounga is more exposed without loose forward cover
    • Havili tends to cut in to help Mounga, leaving Rieko unsure at times
    • Rieko imo has a natural tendency to (a) cut in anyway or (b) track Havili too close
    • Either way it leaves them narrow and either the winger having to shoot or Rieko having to make a cover tackle or both

    Gametime: 36:04, 39:53, 41:02, 43:48, 45:47 (well tbh the whole defense system doesn't reset here - 6/7/8/10/12/14 all within about 10 metres). 51:22 looked perfect defense by Mounga, Havili, Rieko and they still got flanked at 51:40

    (not sure if anyone noticed in-game but Lomax gets lucky at 25:46, a no-arms tackle on Vermeulen looked a dead-set yellow)

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    @Mario said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    I rewatched the defensive system as they were cut apart out wide so many times. The loose trio defended very narrow to negate the Boks strengths (maul - watch Cane and Savea each side on every maul, plus pressure at scrum time):

    • Mounga is more exposed without loose forward cover
    • Havili tends to cut in to help Mounga, leaving Rieko unsure at times
    • Rieko imo has a natural tendency to (a) cut in anyway or (b) track Havili too close
    • Either way it leaves them narrow and either the winger having to shoot or Rieko having to make a cover tackle or both

    Gametime: 36:04, 39:53, 41:02, 43:48, 45:47 (well tbh the whole defense system doesn't reset here - 6/7/8/10/12/14 all within about 10 metres). 51:22 looked perfect defense by Mounga, Havili, Rieko and they still got flanked at 51:40

    (not sure if anyone noticed in-game but Lomax gets lucky at 25:46, a no-arms tackle on Vermeulen looked a dead-set yellow)

    Flipside on this is that we are forcing teams to look wide to attack which increases the risk of them making an error and takes away their strengths in close. If you look back to 2019 that's how teams were marching up field. We were defending wide and pushing RM out which allowed close in run and recycle for phases before going wide.

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    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    Once again our best player, consistantly. Bloody Ardie, if he'd been unavailable this year so far, Foster would've been gone!

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    @Crucial Yeah 👍 , what I wrote was partly aimed not so much at Squidge etc but more why we don't get decent mainstream rugby analysis, apart from maybe Nick Bishop who's a pro, plus in the UK the Telegraph can be okay e.g. this analysis by Steffan Thomas - paywalled but disable JS 😉

    Aug 13, 2022

    What New Zealand changed to pull off an unthinkable victory over South Africa

    What New Zealand changed to pull off an unthinkable victory over South Africa

    Telegraph Sport analyses how the All Blacks got back to winning ways in impressive fashion over the Springboks

    Tactically it was deliberate trade-offs right? That maul defense pinching in with Cane and Ardie flanking is a thing of beauty. It worked just, negates the Boks and plays to the AB's strengths i.e. more mobile out wide but jeeze the Boks could easily have score a couple more on another day? (foot in touch, Rieko and Jordan at 43:49 snuff out a 3-on-2)

    Maybe related that for Argentina, SA have brought back Kwagga Smith into the 23 albeit on the bench

    Next RwC, not so much between have the Boks, Ireland, France, ABs and Eddie can always knock out at least one of them. Gonna be so tactical and game-by-game. Please shoot anyone (normally an aussie) who wants to remove the maul from the game btw

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    @Mario I wouldn't want to remove the maul from the game but it is still heavily weighted toward the attacking side whether by refs only watching for defensive infringements, application of one law strictly while ignoring others......
    One of my current bugbears is that if the attacking side can 'roll' the maul they then get awarded a penalty for any defender trying to stop the side they have rolled to. It's always a call of side entry even though the side is now, in reality, the front.
    Easiest fix to avoid over-complication is to allow mauls to be brought down.

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    @Crucial 100% agree, if there are too many aspects for a ref to keep track of...then remove some, if the attacking team can keep on their feet and walk over the defenders on the ground then they deserve to keep going

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    @Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:

    Easiest fix to avoid over-complication is to allow mauls to be brought down.

    didnt they try that?

    Thing is, an attacking team can bring it down, why are they not pinged, the defending team might be doing a good job of holding it up and keeping it stable and reducing options, but the attacking team can only get it out by collapsing it to set thier attack platform.

    Situations like that, the penalties should be fair, not lop sided as you say whereby 99 times out of 100, the defending team will be pinged, sometimes carded.

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    FULL GAME: All Blacks v South Africa (2022 - Johannesburg)

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