Springboks v All Blacks 2
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On a second watch I realised what a bloody great game to watch it was as well - there was some serious quality in that game and the Reffing was great too. Think the angst which built up after all the losses clouded my enjoyment on the day.
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I think it was Sam Cane or Foster who made the comment that the AB's were trying to relax a bit and not snatch the ball. Seems to have worked as the passing and catching was far more fluid and deliberate.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I think it was Sam Cane or Foster who made the comment that the AB's were trying to relax a bit and not snatch the ball. Seems to have worked as the passing and catching was far more fluid and deliberate.
That's why at the time I thought Ka Mate was the right choice.
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@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I think it was Sam Cane or Foster who made the comment that the AB's were trying to relax a bit and not snatch the ball. Seems to have worked as the passing and catching was far more fluid and deliberate.
That's why at the time I thought Ka Mate was the right choice.
Good point. Drawing on their deepest history perhaps?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
I think it was Sam Cane or Foster who made the comment that the AB's were trying to relax a bit and not snatch the ball. Seems to have worked as the passing and catching was far more fluid and deliberate.
That's why at the time I thought Ka Mate was the right choice.
Good point. Drawing on their deepest history perhaps?
Kapa O Pango tends to wind the ABs into a higher level of excitement. That can lead to a failure to execute
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@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
Only illegal if the ref calls it. We can't depend on the ref to make the correct call, especially at the breakdown. We need to take care of our own business, which was good to see at Ellis Park generally
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@sparky said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
Squidgey's take.
One of the few of his I have managed to watch right through (maybe because he was being complimentary to the ABs
)Makes a very good point at the end. The ABs have shown that they have the ability now to adjust to what the opposition showed the week before. That is a very different proposition to an EOYT where you go in fresh each week against a side waiting to ambush you (just like the RWC) and it will be very interesting to see how that goes this year. Last year it didn't go so well especially against a French team that, since their resurgence, was a bit of an unknown quantity. In that game we did adjust on the fly but couldn't make the adjustments stick long enough.
Looking way too far forward to the RWC we have one game that will presumably be our biggest hurdle and that is the quarterfinal.
Let the opener against France play out. It doesn't really matter if we come first or second in the pool. Take a standard game against them and gather information for a possible future meeting. It is the quarter against SA or Ireland that we need to target and plan for. Luckily for us both of these teams have pretty set styles. Sure they will tweak some stuff up but we know that Ireland base themselves around being very organised and drilled. Disrupting that is the key and we can watch their game against SA to see what happens there. -
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
Only illegal if the ref calls it. We can't depend on the ref to make the correct call, especially at the breakdown. We need to take care of our own business, which was good to see at Ellis Park generally
Of course you do, or else why would any player compete for the ball on their feet, why would anyone try and drive over a ruck, why wouldn’t we just throw bodies in off our feet to disrupt ball?
If ref stuff ups were graded, then that one was in the absolute howler category. It wasn’t a 50/50 situation, just a standard not rolling away that he had called earlier in the game. I think it’s pretty evident that the players expect the ref to get those ones right.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@canefan said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bovidae said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@cgrant I have a different take on the brain fart, he bailed out on the kick and tried to take it up and set it right into his forwards.
Clarke should have just taken the ball into contact to allow Mo'unga to be free to kick. It was two errors resulting in a turnover and try.
To be fair, it was an illegal turnover.
Only illegal if the ref calls it. We can't depend on the ref to make the correct call, especially at the breakdown. We need to take care of our own business, which was good to see at Ellis Park generally
Of course you do, or else why would any player compete for the ball on their feet, why would anyone try and drive over a ruck, why wouldn’t we just throw bodies in off our feet to disrupt ball?
If ref stuff ups were graded, then that one was in the absolute howler category. It wasn’t a 50/50 situation, just a standard not rolling away that he had called earlier in the game. I think it’s pretty evident that the players expect the ref to get those ones right.
Yeah that's a bit like saying well he kicked a 50-22 but the ref decided it wasn't so it's his fault.
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@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
is a very different proposition to an EOYT
Does it only count if the ABs played them a week before? Of if the opposition played someone else and the ABs watched the tape? Maybe we lose to Japan and smoke everyone else.
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
is a very different proposition to an EOYT
Does it only count if the ABs played them a week before? Of if the opposition played someone else and the ABs watched the tape? Maybe we lose to Japan and smoke everyone else.
Eh?
The point was more about how there are a lot of teams playing at a high level at the moment and any can beat any on a given day. The interesting part comes when you play them twice in a row eg ABs v SA or Ireland's adjustments to ABs.
The sign of a very good team is one that can not just react but have plans that can cope with whatever the opposition bring even when that opposition have been lying in wait analysing and ready to ambush. -
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@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial or maybe they countered the counter counter.
@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks 2:
@Crucial or maybe they countered the counter counter.
Just showed this to Mrs Meldrew and she's still laughing. Top Ferning, bro.
