Springboks v All Blacks I
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the biggest problem is the forwards. I know I am a broken record but fix that problem first then there will be more front foot ball and space for the backs. I wouldn’t care if we reverted to the day where the ball didn’t get past the first five just to ingrain in the forwards that they have to dominate.
2nd five is problematic though I agree. But the backs are playing hot potato in an effort to do something which is stupid.
Forwards were better today in some areas than in Irish series. Lineout went well, scrums were evenly matched as game went on, maul defence was good mostly. Pick and goes worked at times too. Another week with Ryan and they may get better.
ABs gave away too many penalties today and conceded too much territory and pressure. Boks just had to wait for a one out runner to get isolated or a mistake or a brain fade.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
apparently his family haven't settled.
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
didn't he have a ridiculous try scoring ratio for allblacks?
8 tries in 15 games at 12.
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@broughie I here what you saying but I think the forwards are there but they are playing a pattern that emphasises shape and playing the back door rather than getting over the advantage line as you say. And issue of or pattern not matching who we have on the field.
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@mantissanet said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Brodie was missed big time in my book… but will take the win even after Gardner transgressions considered. We were flat mostly but powered through the time against some very flat AB play…. I kept waiting for the spark…Not sure Foster the only issue at the moment and thought Cane played out his skin. Ellis Park next week will hopefully not get too messy but both teams have loads to improve on-
I thought Cane played really well too. I feel sorry for him.
He is a 6.5. Sam Underhill type.
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@98blueandgold well the back door is not working and whatever they have been doing has not for years now. Hopefully next week there will be other signs of life.
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@broughie I here what you saying but I think the forwards are there but they are playing a pattern that emphasises shape and playing the back door rather than getting over the advantage line as you say. And issue of or pattern not matching who we have on the field.
Didn't they change the pod structure? 2-3-2-1 rather than 1-3-3-1? If you want to go up the guts, maybe they need to revert back to 1-3-3-1 again.
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@stodders the problem i have is they seem to go back door as first option all the time, putting us under huge pressure, defence seems to be able to read it rather easily. we need those pods almost to be run first and then pass (maybe, only being a couch coach haha). When you watch the Irish particularly they are amazing at going to the back door after getting fast front football which creates space. we go back door even if it is slow ball allowing the rush to be effective, isolating carries (hence breakdown issues) or it looks like we are playing hot potato.
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders the problem i have is they seem to go back door as first option all the time, putting us under huge pressure, defence seems to be able to read it rather easily. we need those pods almost to be run first and then pass (maybe, only being a couch coach haha). When you watch the Irish particularly they are amazing at going to the back door after getting fast front football which creates space. we go back door even if it is slow ball allowing the rush to be effective, isolating carries (hence breakdown issues) or it looks like we are playing hot potato.
It is easier to defend if you know the ball carrier is likely to pass out back. It is even easier if the ball carrier has no obvious support to effect a clean out. The patterns the AB use on attack are too obvious, and have been for a while.
Rush defences and their reading of play have got better. AB attack hasn't.
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@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
No he wasn't.
His last test at 12 vs Wallabies in Brisbane he offered fuck all - just had no physical impact on the game whatsoever.
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@broughie said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@stodders i’m not that astute to the pod pattens. Let’s just try to win the incremental battles, retain possession and make them tackle.
exactly. we weren't even in a position to advance the scoreboard in increments of 3.
miles off.
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If the truth be told, if the Boks were more clinical with all the possession and territory they had, this could have been very ugly. AB defence was very good for the most part and they stopped Bok runners in their tracks. Good sign.
At no point did the Boks feel any scoreboard pressure. At no point did the ABs build pressure for a concerted 5-10 mins period. Knock ons, bad options, silly penalties, all relieved pressure.
ABs did well to get some momentum back in first half after a thoroughly one sided first 20 mins. At 10-3 at half-time, they'd have been relieved. In the past, AB teams that stayed in the fight would have struck back. This side didn't fire a shot until Clarke's burst late on.
I'm not sure how you fix this in one week.
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@stodders said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
If the truth be told, if the Boks were more clinical with all the possession and territory they had, this could have been very ugly. AB defence was very good for the most part and they stopped Bok runners in their tracks. Good sign.
At no point did the Boks feel any scoreboard pressure. At no point did the ABs build pressure for a concerted 5-10 mins period. Knock ons, bad options, silly penalties, all relieved pressure.
ABs did well to get some momentum back in first half after a thoroughly one sided first 20 mins. At 10-3 at half-time, they'd have been relieved. In the past, AB teams that stayed in the fight would have struck back. This side didn't fire a shot until Clarke's burst late on.
I'm not sure how you fix this in one week.
selection table for a start.
ST keeps the hooker jersey.
Rieko needs to be told its 11 or nothing.
Havili relieved of his duties too.
Jordan fullblack.
Ardie or Cane. not both.
That would be a good start.
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
@Steve said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
not sure how he has been performing. but he was grand in black every time he played.
No he wasn't.
His last test at 12 vs Wallabies in Brisbane he offered fuck all - just had no physical impact on the game whatsoever.
fair enough mate. I suppose whoever isn't playing has their stocks rising.
