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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial well the BS coming out about Fozzie, Assistants and Cane are of more concern...its a circus.
As I said, fair enough delaying the side for whatever reasons, but then have this other info 'leak'.
Fronting up is bad for your mental health, apparently
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@Machpants said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR continue to fumble thier way around...
So wasnt TRC squad meant to have been named on Wednesday?
But wasnt, comms were they were awaiting some medical scans on some players, fair enough I guess.
The 'news' that Fozzie will stay on, assistants gone
The 'news' Cane is being dropped as captain
Seriously, what a joke, NZR need to take a good hard look at themselves and the leadership they have installed.
My understanding is that there are other factors at play here causing logistical problems. They can't explain that as it would just set the dogs howling with guesswork.
Wellington Airport for example has a 140 flight backlog due to the weather. Key people (players/coaches) are scattered everywhere. Certain very key personnel are on previously arranged 'leave' for very genuine reasons. They don't need (or have to) cancel their plans because the media and internet are champing at the bit to put the boot in further.
As long as they have their plans and people in place then it doesn't matter if the announcement was this morning or this afternoon.
Isn't everyone asking for thought out and measured change rather than knee jerk scrambling? Then they wanted the same timetable set before this change happened? Get real FFS.
I would have said mid-arvo today but that may move forward or back depending on how the announcement is handled. I think the plans for the day have been thrown a curveball with the weather. There may be some zooming required and maybe they feel that is a last choice and will attract more criticism.
NZR aren't perfect by any stretch but some of the demands and accusations that are floating around are assuming levels of incompetence way beyond what may actually be happening.Bollocks mate. Why don't they just come out and say that then? Cos they're useless and don't respect their supporters, or that is not what is happening? Either way, it is rubbish. No communication sucks, is not acceptable
And you know what is happening behind the scenes?
Let's say I'm right and the plan was to have a presser early this afternoon. But now it is unknown who can make it and when. Do they announce early then keep pushing it back? Assemble the wolves and leave them waiting while someone is hoping on a flight? Or wait until maybe mid morning before telling people that's what is happening.
Also if you can't tell the full story you don't give out parts that sets for more speculation.
Why does it upset you so much?
From what I have heard there is a very valid reason why an announcement hasn't been made yet (one of possibly quite a few). One that I respect. They have a duty as an employer way before a duty to the public or press. -
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will". -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial well the BS coming out about Fozzie, Assistants and Cane are of more concern...its a circus.
As I said, fair enough delaying the side for whatever reasons, but then have this other info 'leak'.
I absolutely agree and said so way back in the thread. Leaks only cause speculation and bullshit assumptions.
NZR may possibly be responsible for allowing a leak but then, as we know, NZ is a small place and little bits of info spread quickly and join together.
I have heard some strong info from a close source (not a leak at all) but aren't spreading it partly because I don't know if it is true, partly because there is a little 1+1=3 going on and mostly because, if true, I respect the reasons for keeping quiet on it. -
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Likewise Akira needs to play for a coach that can get him fired up right. So not Foster.
Absolutely. Why on earth should an incumbent All Black bother to get himself fired up for a game in the Black jersey when he has a coach to blame?
I didn't say he didn't get fired up. I said he doesn't get fired up right.
You obviously think getting into the right head-space or fired up-ednes is not something a top-level player like an incumbent All Black need take any responsibility for - that's all down to the coach.
Now if you have a better reason why the ABs have surrendered tries meekly in the first minutes of all the recent games, yet are going out there all fired up, then I want to hear it.
Well, it's obviously Foster's fault isn't it? The idiot probably trusted his highly-paid professional rugby players to think for themselves and take some responsibility for getting themselves into the right frame of mind for a game.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will".Typical journo speak for 'My bosses demand a story when there is nothing new to add'
There was a statement that a review would be held, changes made where necessary and announced when appropriate.
They don't have to provide daily updates on the process or explain their thoughts FFS.
Let them do their job and make decisions, get everything wrapped up and then discuss the outcomes. Speculation and accusations are just bullshit and feeding the desire of the clickbait press that we supposedly don't like. -
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@cgrant said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Possible names :
LHP : Ethan de Groot. Questions about his fitness but was Karl T fitter ? Brings physicality. Scrummaging Okayish.
Ollie Norris : Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Very good for the Maoris in the first test, poor in the second. Maybe one year too early for him.
Tamaiti Williams : can play on both sides of the scrum, which could be a bonus. He is the one with the highest ceiling. His scrummaging is head scratching as he can dominate his opponent in one scrum and then being monstered in the following one.
Hodgman : great workrate, scrummaging not so good.THP :
Tyrel Lomax : penalty magnet and tits for hands. Can scrum and good workrate.
Fletcher Newell : Good scrummager and dynamic in the loose, occasionally. Lacks experience.
Olli Jager : not outstanding but solid in most phases. Would not do worse than Nepo nor Ofa anyway.Hookers :
Asafo Aumua. Upside : his strength. Downside : tends to go missing.
George Bell : too young, of course. Could he be taken as an apprentice ?
Brodie McAllister : he is the type of player who won't let you down. Journeyman though.
Thompson : he has a very high ceiling IMO; he is the NZ Malcom Marx but his LO throwing has to improve drastically.Locks :
Josh Dickson. He could be the new Keith Robinson. Not brillant but solid in every facet of a lock play.
MSR : his criminal record does not favor him. Big man with good hands and mongrel. His showing for the Maoris against Ireland does not plead for him.
IWL : big and strong. I would prefer him over PT. Mobility questionable.
Goodhue : he's leaving so nah. Was part of a dominated front five in the SRP final.
Gallagher and Sangster : both need a watch for the future, but it's too early for them.
Quinten Strange : journeyman. Strengths : ? Won't let the side down though.Loose forwards :
Cullen Grace : the main favorite to get into the squad. Excellent LO jumper, mobile and hard hitter in defense. Ball carrying not so flashy.
Shannon Frizzel : good workrate but does not deliver at the highest level.
Luke Jacobson : defense good, ball carrying good, but goes missing occasionally.
Tom Robinson : great workrate, good LO jumper. Ball carrying in the tight not so good as he lacks sheer power.Halfbacks :
Brad Weber : has plenty of experience but passing sloppy at times.
TJP : plenty of experience too. Very good in defense but his passing is slow and very inaccurate most of the time.1st Five :
DMac : would displace Stephen Perofeta who did not have a single opportunity to show his worth.2nd Five :
Thomas Umaga-Jensen : big and strong but not very fast. Defense questionable. Would bring something different to the midfield.
Alex Nankivell : was brillant during the first rounds of the SRP then his form slipped down. Very poor outing for the Maoris.Centre :
Bailyn Sullivan : Outstanding with the Canes when given the opportunity. Poor display for the Maoris against Ireland. Does not look like an international centre, for the moment.Wings :
Mark Telea : is he considered as being a member of the current squad ? Can break tackles and be brillant. Tends to blunder badly as well.
Lam : big, strong and fast. Very dangerous with ball in hand. Defense ? Reliability under the high ball ?Full back :
Zarn Sullivan. This man can kick from hand and he can run too. Brillant future IMO.I forgot Shaun Stevenson in my list. He was the best Maori player in the 2nd game vs Ireland. He can beat opponents with great ease, has genuine speed and a big boot. He is also safe under the high balls. He could be a bolter !
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will".Typical journo speak for 'My bosses demand a story when there is nothing new to add'
There was a statement that a review would be held, changes made where necessary and announced when appropriate.
They don't have to provide daily updates on the process or explain their thoughts FFS.
Let them do their job and make decisions, get everything wrapped up and then discuss the outcomes. Speculation and accusations are just bullshit and feeding the desire of the clickbait press that we supposedly don't like.I think the issue is they didn't announce anything.
They didn't signal that the squad naming would be put back.
They didn't signal that the scheduled board meeting didn't go ahead.
Speculation is running rife due to the silence. A simple statement or two since Sunday might help.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Well, it's obviously Foster's fault isn't it? The idiot probably trusted his highly-paid professional rugby players to think for themselves and take some responsibility for getting themselves into the right frame of mind for a game.
I suspect if he left them alone they would be able to do that. After all, they can do it for Super games. And many have done it previously for tests.
I suspect that Foster actively interferes with their ability to get ready properly for games. It fits what has happened, both for the Chiefs and ABs.
I'm still waiting for another reason how we suddenly have become so lack-lustre mentally, and expecially at the start of games.
It's not the players. They are fine with other coaches.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will".Typical journo speak for 'My bosses demand a story when there is nothing new to add'
There was a statement that a review would be held, changes made where necessary and announced when appropriate.
They don't have to provide daily updates on the process or explain their thoughts FFS.
Let them do their job and make decisions, get everything wrapped up and then discuss the outcomes. Speculation and accusations are just bullshit and feeding the desire of the clickbait press that we supposedly don't like.I think the issue is they didn't announce anything.
They didn't signal that the squad naming would be put back.
They didn't signal that the scheduled board meeting didn't go ahead.
Speculation is running rife due to the silence. A simple statement or two since Sunday might help.
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later. -
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.I agree with this.
But the board meeting being cancelled and the post-game interviews being cancelled are different. They should have taken place, and the reason being "we don't wanna" is just ludicrous.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will".Typical journo speak for 'My bosses demand a story when there is nothing new to add'
There was a statement that a review would be held, changes made where necessary and announced when appropriate.
They don't have to provide daily updates on the process or explain their thoughts FFS.
Let them do their job and make decisions, get everything wrapped up and then discuss the outcomes. Speculation and accusations are just bullshit and feeding the desire of the clickbait press that we supposedly don't like.I think the issue is they didn't announce anything.
They didn't signal that the squad naming would be put back.
They didn't signal that the scheduled board meeting didn't go ahead.
Speculation is running rife due to the silence. A simple statement or two since Sunday might help.
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.You're really white knighting this one.
Q: how do you know they're having a review?
Q: Why was the presser on Sunday cancelled? Because Foster didn't know when asked; it was a goddamn linkedin post that read like satire.
Q: Why was the team naming pushed back?
Statements set out timetables and processes is what you need. If you aren't throwing out Foster, put someone else up to talk FFS. Or put out something; anything. NZR are being kicked for the nature of their response (absence) not what they're doing behind closed doors.
And let's not start on the seeded stories/leaking going on from Rugby HQ either. I'm disappointed, I'm not suprised.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@sparky said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
NZR have been a fucking omnishambles this week. Someone needs to get a grip of the situation and fast.
Explain exactly in what way have they been a shambles.
"They haven't done what I want them to."
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@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will".Typical journo speak for 'My bosses demand a story when there is nothing new to add'
There was a statement that a review would be held, changes made where necessary and announced when appropriate.
They don't have to provide daily updates on the process or explain their thoughts FFS.
Let them do their job and make decisions, get everything wrapped up and then discuss the outcomes. Speculation and accusations are just bullshit and feeding the desire of the clickbait press that we supposedly don't like.I think the issue is they didn't announce anything.
They didn't signal that the squad naming would be put back.
They didn't signal that the scheduled board meeting didn't go ahead.
Speculation is running rife due to the silence. A simple statement or two since Sunday might help.
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.I totally disagree with that. There's no way an update message would fuel more speculation than no update at all. The whole point of PR is that it helps you control the narrative. Saying "journos and the public should be smart enough to figure it out" isn't a PR strategy.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Possible names :
LHP : Ethan de Groot. Questions about his fitness but was Karl T fitter ? Brings physicality. Scrummaging Okayish.
Ollie Norris : Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. Very good for the Maoris in the first test, poor in the second. Maybe one year too early for him.
Tamaiti Williams : can play on both sides of the scrum, which could be a bonus. He is the one with the highest ceiling. His scrummaging is head scratching as he can dominate his opponent in one scrum and then being monstered in the following one.
Hodgman : great workrate, scrummaging not so good.THP :
Tyrel Lomax : penalty magnet and tits for hands. Can scrum and good workrate.
Fletcher Newell : Good scrummager and dynamic in the loose, occasionally. Lacks experience.
Olli Jager : not outstanding but solid in most phases. Would not do worse than Nepo nor Ofa anyway.Hookers :
Asafo Aumua. Upside : his strength. Downside : tends to go missing.
George Bell : too young, of course. Could he be taken as an apprentice ?
Brodie McAllister : he is the type of player who won't let you down. Journeyman though.
Thompson : he has a very high ceiling IMO; he is the NZ Malcom Marx but his LO throwing has to improve drastically.Locks :
Josh Dickson. He could be the new Keith Robinson. Not brillant but solid in every facet of a lock play.
MSR : his criminal record does not favor him. Big man with good hands and mongrel. His showing for the Maoris against Ireland does not plead for him.
IWL : big and strong. I would prefer him over PT. Mobility questionable.
Goodhue : he's leaving so nah. Was part of a dominated front five in the SRP final.
Gallagher and Sangster : both need a watch for the future, but it's too early for them.
Quinten Strange : journeyman. Strengths : ? Won't let the side down though.Loose forwards :
Cullen Grace : the main favorite to get into the squad. Excellent LO jumper, mobile and hard hitter in defense. Ball carrying not so flashy.
Shannon Frizzel : good workrate but does not deliver at the highest level.
Luke Jacobson : defense good, ball carrying good, but goes missing occasionally.
Tom Robinson : great workrate, good LO jumper. Ball carrying in the tight not so good as he lacks sheer power.Halfbacks :
Brad Weber : has plenty of experience but passing sloppy at times.
TJP : plenty of experience too. Very good in defense but his passing is slow and very inaccurate most of the time.1st Five :
DMac : would displace Stephen Perofeta who did not have a single opportunity to show his worth.2nd Five :
Thomas Umaga-Jensen : big and strong but not very fast. Defense questionable. Would bring something different to the midfield.
Alex Nankivell : was brillant during the first rounds of the SRP then his form slipped down. Very poor outing for the Maoris.Centre :
Bailyn Sullivan : Outstanding with the Canes when given the opportunity. Poor display for the Maoris against Ireland. Does not look like an international centre, for the moment.Wings :
Mark Telea : is he considered as being a member of the current squad ? Can break tackles and be brillant. Tends to blunder badly as well.
Lam : big, strong and fast. Very dangerous with ball in hand. Defense ? Reliability under the high ball ?Full back :
Zarn Sullivan. This man can kick from hand and he can run too. Brillant future IMO.great post
I'm going to throw it out there, we dont have the luxury of picking tight forwards who cant scrum and lineout. there was a time we had the skill/confidence to attack from back foot ball, mobil tight forwards for second phase ball were worth it....right now i think we need to go back to first principles, stable set piece to give or backs the best chance to attack, so anyone on that list who cant scrum shouldnt be there
i know this would never happen, its just my personal approach to a problem, go back to first principles and build back up
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.I agree with this.
But the board meeting being cancelled and the post-game interviews being cancelled are different. They should have taken place, and the reason being "we don't wanna" is just ludicrous.
Who said 'we don't wanna'? I thought that the accusation was one of silence?
If there are changes to be made that need to be explained to and ratified by the board (possibly even for DFA reasons) then it's pretty obvious that a board meeting scheduled way before the shit hit the fan would be rescheduled to deal with it.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@Crucial said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks squad - The Rugby Championship:
Did you read the comments by former NZR comms manager slamming the silence earlier this week?
Former TVNZ journalist Jaspers, who also worked in communications for the 2011 Rugby World Cup organisation, said "if you don't fill the vacuum someone else will".Typical journo speak for 'My bosses demand a story when there is nothing new to add'
There was a statement that a review would be held, changes made where necessary and announced when appropriate.
They don't have to provide daily updates on the process or explain their thoughts FFS.
Let them do their job and make decisions, get everything wrapped up and then discuss the outcomes. Speculation and accusations are just bullshit and feeding the desire of the clickbait press that we supposedly don't like.I think the issue is they didn't announce anything.
They didn't signal that the squad naming would be put back.
They didn't signal that the scheduled board meeting didn't go ahead.
Speculation is running rife due to the silence. A simple statement or two since Sunday might help.
I would have hoped that the public and journos were smart enough to work out that the reviews and changes that they themselves were demanding take time and they were happening. Did they want things all done and dusted on Tuesday in a mad rush? That would just give them something else to whinge about. Likewise a further statement that 'we are working through the review and outcomes and will let you all know when we have something to announce' only fires up even more accusations of 'tell us now! You know something that you aren't telling us!'
The world doesn't end if we find out a day or two later.You're really white knighting this one.
Nah, just trying to put some sanity and logic into the thread.
Some of what is being posted lacks all sorts of sanity and realism and reads like every move NZR makes needs to be explained to the internet, just because we say so.
