Foster, Robertson etc
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@Kiwiwomble the article wording does not reflect well professionally on either Robinson or Robertson. I certainly hope NZRU does not operate on early promises and bending to applicant requests with zero regard for confidentiality. Hardly fair on anyone if that is the case. I certainly hope this is just all unsubstantiated rumours. If not then there is a leak issue too. Robertson has earned his chance but you need to be fair to all parties in my view.
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@ARHS everything we're getting is through the lens of at least one form of media
if razor is like anyone else in the world he will have talked to his current employer about promotion and advancement....someone from the media asks him if he has talked to NZR about the big job...he says yes...media reports razor in discussion with NZR about AB's coaching job....none of it is incorrect...just slightly filtered to get those clicks
im still interested by the Legend of Marty Banks sticking to his post about an actual leak he got saying joseph was getting the job...very little chat about joseph otherwise
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@ARHS again, how is it any different to leaks that player x is heading to Japan/Europe?
The impact on others is very different. I don't want to see the rwc campaign and player and coach choices and decisions undermined. There are HR laws in this country governing employee relations. Lots of sensitive stuff gets embargoed and is subject to confidentiality until formally announced.
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I don't see it as any different at all, in the past it has impacted selections by players announcing it, when it shouldn't.
Both are employees of NZR so subject to same privacy.
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@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
They had already decided to sack Foster in August due to his poor inconsistent record over many years yet a single win caused them to be so reactionary they retracted Robertson's contract offer and continued with Foster.
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
It's a wonder Robertson's even still here and didn't head overseas straight away.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Windows97 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Are we all to believe that "the process" hasn't started?
The debacle in SA by the NZRU was exactly that - a debacle. Highly unsettling for Foster yet he survived, probably raised Robertson's expectations only to dash them, thoroughly confused in NZ public.
This is a very odd way of prioritizing the welfare and needs of all they are responsible for...
They had already decided to sack Foster in August due to his poor inconsistent record over many years yet a single win caused them to be so reactionary they retracted Robertson's contract offer and continued with Foster.
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
It's a wonder Robertson's even still here and didn't head overseas straight away.
Backtracked after a Player meeting in Mark Robinsons room in SA.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Apparently it was all set to be announced before they backtracked after the SA game, they were so deep the press releases were already written and photoshoots with Razor's family already organized.
So you don't really know then...
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@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
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I think that the only thing that we really can take as true is that Razor was asked if he would be willing to take the job if Foster was let go.
No doubt he said yes but the rest didn't happen.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
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@kiwi_expat ...pretty sure that's what a rumor is...example....someone in NZR said that NZR offered the job to eddie jones...see...its easy
for it not to be a rumor razor or Mark Robinson would have to give a first hand account publicly
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@kiwi_expat ...pretty sure that's what a rumor is...example....someone in NZR said that NZR offered the job to eddie jones...see...its easy
for it not to be a rumor razor or Mark Robinson would have to give a first hand account publicly
A lot of rumours floating around,You here so much, even from people close to the people involved, but they are so contradicting who would know what is true and isn't true.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Victor-Meldrew exactly...all still rumour getting reported as fact
It's not a rumour, it's from people who work at NZR.
In other words, unsubstantiated bollocks.
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail. -
@Crucial said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris the example @Crucial gave seems the most believable, NZR confirm with their employee that he is available to step in if required.....and everything else spirals from there
Maybe,But who would really Know only a handful of people involved.
I think it went a bit further than that so I have heard.But again that is from the perspective from people I have spoken to who are close to the action.
Depends which side you are on probably.No. It depends on rumour mills and 'twisting' of facts. Not necessarily with bad intention.
Let's say he was asked the question but then staff were asked to prepare a contract to be ready. That would easily end up with 'staff' interpreting this as a done deal that didn't go ahead even if the intention from management was to be ready to move quickly should Foster get ditched or resign.
Razor will have also confided in friends and colleagues as well as his Saders employers and that opens up even more room for interpretation. Being 'offered the job' is the phrase rather than 'offered the job IF it becomes available'. Both are true statements but one adds key detail.I don't disagree but what I mean by which side you are on,It depends what you believe and maybe add to or take way to make it sound better or worse.
Statements can become rumours good or bad depending who gets hold of the rumours.
