Foster, Robertson etc
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@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It isnt a fact of disliking Foster, liking Razor, its what seems incompetence and lack of transperancy.
While understanding what you saying taniwha, I not sure what the lack of transperancy is,. Almost every board in world makes decision when they need etc, and release it to public when they feel time was/is right. Rennies was approached by RA months before it was made public, England just met behind closed doors fired Jones, and then were stum on replacement until they were ready to say. Same with Gatland and Wales etc, I not real convinced it helps anyone to know what is going on except the people involved. I believe they could be still seeing who wants the gig etc and then go through processes. Like you I just want best candidate to get job, and shouldn't ruch decision until all factors are covered. And from what I have seen same in any sports, not just rugby.
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I’m confused (it happens easily, I know)
But is the media really speculating that NZR’s ideal sequence of AB coaching is going to be Foster for 2023, followed by Joseph for [3] years, then Razor comes in for 2027 and the RWC?
And people on here are suggesting that this would be a good thing, and is an indicator of NZR being forward-thinking and progressive?
Wtf is going on?
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@Nepia said in Foster, Robertson etc:
I really do not believe they will go with anyone but Razor in 2024.
Every step of the way
thislast year we've just heard gossip and rumour, this is just another one.I think if Razor wasn't going to get the role
thisnext year then I think he would have wanted and NZR would have granted him a release from his contract fornextthis year.100% this. I'll be floored if it's not Razor - even allowing for 'Robbo' and his mates.
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@voodoo said in Foster, Robertson etc:
But is the media really speculating that NZR’s ideal sequence of AB coaching is going to be Foster for 2023, followed by Joseph for [3] years, then Razor comes in for 2027 and the RWC?
There's been so much speculation and 99% of it has turned out to be unfounded gossip & rumour.
That said, NZR clearly have a preference for coaches with Test experience, so who knows?
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
Scott Robertson: I'm here and ready for the All Blacks job
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
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@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
The translation of the above post is that it seems you are angry that Robertson has not already been appointed / announced and paraded as Fosters successor.
There may well be legal, as well as other reasons behind that.
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@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Yep and makes a mockery of the idea that NZR have made no plans for 2024, doesn't it.
Hey if Razor goes to another country, it will be same as players that go, a bit of a shame but c'est la vie, I will be happy with players and coaches who show me being part of ABs is the most important thing to them.
That's not a criticism of those that go off shore, (and especially not Razor if he goes as some seem convinced he will) just how I feel. Everyone lives with their own priorities and need to live by them. -
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
And probaly bang on to Major!
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@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Machpants said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@KiwiMurph said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@MajorRage said in Foster, Robertson etc:
It takes two to tango.
Not exactly a secret that Robertson has been speaking to multiple other countries about potential jobs.
He's also signed extensions to stay in the country and has made it plain and clear he wants the ABs job.....
Ever seen a sporting contract that was unbreakable?
When did he last publicly say he wanted the AB's job?
Near the end of October, about 69 days ago?
The Crusaders coach said the decision rests in NZR's hands but he intends to be coaching on the international stage soon regardless.
Good to hear.
I've been avoiding this thread due to the nature of it, but given the above, why is it still going then?
We've got Foster til the world cup, then we've got Robertson after.
End of discussion, no?
No. NZR may well reappoint foster, or upgrade one of his deputies, or go for Joseph, or delay the decision so late that all the coaches apart from the incumbent say 'fuck this, I'm taking a guaranteed job elsewhere'.
I'm quite sure that the continuity and/or international experience card will stymie razor, m and we'll get the same shit for another 4 years.
This is the same bunch of incompetents that appointed foster in the first place, despite the obvious down turn in ABs performance late Hansen, and Foster's utterly appalling head coach record
The translation of the above post is that it seems you are angry that Robertson has not already been appointed / announced and paraded as Fosters successor.
There may well be legal, as well as other reasons behind that.
Not at all, I just have no trust that NZR will make the right decision. Foster was clearly the wrong decision, extending Hansen after the lions was wrong, how they dealt with so many things since then (super rugby, silver lake, black ferns, last year's coaching palaver) had been beyond amateur. I'm just worried that they'll fuck this up.
I'm not sure if razor is the best choice, but they need too ensure they get real competition for the role, and the best supporting coaches. And use a process that isn't jobs for the boys
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Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning. -
@ARHS said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Wonder what the story is on the other side of the fence? I have more faith in NZRU staff who have the best interests of the game at heart.
They should be doing succession planning all the time and should be encouraging competition for hp coaching roles. But they work within the constraints of contracts and employment law and budget limitations.
Great to have Joseph, Robertson and maybe Foster all keen to be the one after RWC2023 and competing for the role. NZRU can monitor how all of them prepare and upskill.
They will foremost decide who is best placed to meet the challenges and changing environment for the next few years for the best result for NZ Rugby..
They will be less inclined to decide based on who has the loudest cheerleader group and best cherry picked comparisons posted online.
So it is great if Joseph and Brown are keen. They have shown the ability to get squads to punch above their weight in international rugby while Robertson shows great consistency in preparing for and succeeding at domestic finals.
Trouble is that you can't just recruit to plug a few gaps where your opponents have players who are already a bit better at test level. That will be the major challenge for the next AB's coach. And I have faith that the NZRU folks will be considering the big picture diligently before they appoint and not just taking the easy option of rewarding either domestic titles or fulfilling succession planning.Can't say how much I agree with this post ARHS, I know it seems strange to many to just let the decisions be made by those who have ALL the info, I know I a great fan of Jamie Joseph getting job, but I don't know anymore about the qualifications than anyone else on here, or to be honest what really makes a good test coach.
I have seen many posts on forums where people have said someone like Eddie Jones is a good coach for a short time etc and then wears out players, then read after he is dumped players who were being coached by him saying how good he was and still is. So you have to think they would have pretty good idea too, but once again RU believe they need something different and so do what they thought was best. Like you I believe NZR are/will do exactly same, and are pretty well qualified to make decision, certainly more than me or any poster on bored. Even though it's right to all have an opinion. -
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@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
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@Dan54 said in Foster, Robertson etc:
@Chris said in Foster, Robertson etc:
Now I am bored with this thread,Its just rehashing opinions over and over.
No faith the NZ will do the right job in selecting the new coach after WC as they didn't select the right one this time.
Another rehashed comment.Yep it's actually a repeat of letters to the editor in 2008, just substitute names
Yeah you know my thoughts on the NZR board,But pointless repeating it,let’s see what happens next,I might be pleasantly surprised,and to be honest I hope I am.
