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The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
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@Windows97 said in Foster:
The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
The problem is Foster isn't enough of a student of the game for this level. He doesn't seem attentive enough, detail-focused enough. His language is too broad and general to give me any impression that he goes deep on the game. Schmidt clearly is, Rassie for sure, Robertson is certainly on the spectrum. O'Gara labelled Razor a "mad genius" as he was so obsessive, intelligent & in-depth while preparing the team during the week.
This kind of mentality is surely what's required to succeed at this level. This might explain the inconsistency, Fozzie isn't always on and that impacts the team. He waffles and talks in generalities. I watched him on the breakdown earlier in the year and nearly dozed off.
They had Joe Schmidt on the breakdown a few weeks later and the difference was startling. Joe was always on point, answered questions directly and focused on the issue in question. And knew what he was talking about. No fog, fuzzie logic, learnings, waffle talk, etc...
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@Windows97 said in Foster:
The team this year is horribly inconsistent however.
Hammered Ireland in the first test (good) - lost the second and third (bad).
Lost to Argentina at home (horrendous) then smashed them in the next game (good).
Struggled to beat Japan (bad) hammered Wales (good).
If this team was a box of chocolates it's a mixture of chocolates and dog turds and you're never sure which one you're going to get from week to week.
So therefore hammer Wales…..then lose to Scotland ! Fucken sweet ! Get on the bandwagon laddies, plenty of room for everyone !
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@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
In the end I don't mind a coach that doesn't spout all of his plans and secrets for all to hear.
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@Bones I hear you but during the "dark days" what he said and what was happening on the field was completely different. It was like Foster was on a different planet. Now that the ship has straightened he seems lucid again.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Foster:
@Bones I hear you but during the "dark days" what he said and what was happening on the field was completely different. It was like Foster was on a different planet. Now that the ship has straightened he seems lucid again.
Yeah frustrating for us fans, but like I said that doesn't matter and i would eat Kirwan's hat if we found out the public message is the same as what the team is getting.
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@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
Nonsense - effective communication is one of the most fundamental aspects of his job, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:
"If all this isn't demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.
“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.
Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach.
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
Anyone who writes or believes that load of bollocks is a complete moron.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@kiwi_expat Foster's job isn't to make himself sound intelligent to Joe Expat. It's to coach his team. I couldn't give two shits whether he makes you go to sleep.
His general talk and bullshit excuses is frustrating, but I wouldn't for a second be dim enough to believe he says exactly the same things to the public as he does to the team.
Wrong, much of Foster's job is communication, from a Gregor Paul excerpt:
"If all this isn’t demanding enough, the All Blacks coach also has to be a skilled, clever and strategic communicator.
“You have to understand the role of the media otherwise they can really wind you up as they did earlier in my career,” says Hansen.
Hansen became one of the best manipulators of the media and the master at controlling the news cycle, and arguably the ability to set an agenda and sway public opinion is now the number one skill priority for the All Blacks head coach."
😂 Oh well what Gregor Paul says, goes eh!
Foster seems to be manipulating you extremely easily. Job done then.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster:
With midfielders one stepper and one straight is the way. Doesn't matter which way around(12,13) or even if one or other can do both. As long as one player looks for a weakness and one straightens. That checks the defensive enough that the fullback can watch and direct the next move, either shooting up as an extra or calling it wide and going to support.
Until JB stepped in I feel like we lacked the straightener
Alatini’s All Blacks midfield for 2023 World Cup
Several players are currently in the running for the starting midfield duo.
“I think we have to definitely have a look at the performances that Jordie has produced in the 12 jersey in the last two Tests,” Alatini told SENZ’s The Run Home. “Jordie at 12 is a weapon, an absolute weapon,” Jones told SENZ’s The Rugby Run. “The guy is six-foot-four, he’s 108, 109 kgs, gets over the gain line … once we get over the gain line and we analyse the game, then we can play. “If you can’t dominate the gain line, if you can’t get go-forward ball, if you can’t push the opposition back … the game of rugby’s hard. “We don’t want to make it hard, we want to be able to dominate the gain line and dominate the game.”Sounds like a crash-ball merchant to me...
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Kidding kidding - but seriously, he is listed at 95-96kgs depending where you look, not quite the 108-109kgs Alatini (apparently Jones, thanks Bones) has him at.
Anyone got a line on an accurate count?
was talking to him at a weetbix breakfast a couple of years back and he said he was 90kg then. Skinny as fark.
no way in hell has he put on 20kgs since then
95 would be pretty accurate I'd sayI'd be astonished if a bloke his height and build is about the same weight as me. I'd say he's definitely over the tonne.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster:
A higher priority than getting the best out of his players and team?
based on 12 years of evidence as head coach of Chiefs & NZ he's failed at that too.
Yeah, but you and Gregor Paul are arguing that's less important than managing the media.
Actually, I recall an article interviewing Steve Hansen where he said near the end of his tenure he found the demands of managing the media etc getting increasingly difficult to balance time-wise with performance-driven coaching.
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Yet another weekend where Razor's reputation is enhanced while Foster's goes down, it's like clock-work.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Yet another weekend where Razor's reputation is enhanced while Foster's goes down, it's like clock-work.
Let's hope he's the rugby patriot we think he is
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if he wasn't obviously a foster child I'd wonder if Ian is part Scottish..then again he seems obviously delighted with this ' test win we’re very proud of' so I guess he can't be.
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Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
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@kiwi_expat said in Foster:
Was flicking between the Barbarians match and the All Blacks. Really showed who is the coaching guru out of the 2 games, the difference in cohesion and tactics. We certainly shouldn't be giving Robertson any credit whatsoever for taking a rag-tag group and turning them into a winning team in two coaching sessions.
Razor had 2, yes 2 training sessions with this team that beat a All Blacks B side, who had already been together for weeks and already had a win on tour. Took a group that haven't played together, from different countries and languages and beat a NZ XV team that had weeks of training together including another game. Then we flick to All Blacks with the Foster swapping players game after game with little clue of a game-plan. I certainly didn't waste much more time watching the aimless kicking and disorganized mess in Black.
Also McDonald has had more failures than successes, always outsmarted by Robertson in head to heads. Razor does it his way and doesn't have to call in the likes of Schmidt and other international or ex-international coaches to help him out. McDonald seems to lack the technical skills that Robertson displays in his game-planning, strategy & team selections. NZRU adore Leon though, despite his limited success and his inability to counter Razor's pragmatic tactical nous and astute calculated game-plans.
Yep pretty much sums up the difference, results do count when rating coaches abilities unless you are on the NZR Board.
