Foster, Robertson etc
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@Stargazer said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
one question, did Ryan have any input in the squad selection? if not we're not exactly giving him a fair crack at succeeding quickly...hey, go to SA with someone else's forwards back and win...
If I understood yesterday's interview with Foster correctly, Ryan is not getting the selector's bit of Plumtree's roles. But even if he did, he wouldn't have had any input for the selection of the current squad, as he had only just returned from Fiji where he had his job to do with the Fijian squad.
Not sure it would have made much of a difference though. Coaching has been the main issue; not squad selection.
As Ryan only has 13 days before the first test against SA (effectively much less, because there are off-days and travel days in that period), I'm not expecting miracles. You can't fix much in such a short time.
i guess thats it thought, when we dont have a lot of time for actual coaching then we might have been able to make a bit of progress if he could bring in people he knew he could work with, people that know what he's going to want, to help speed up the learning curve, hopefully he has that with the crusaders in the squad
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@Dan54 said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
one question, did Ryan have any input in the squad selection? if not we're not exactly giving him a fair crack at succeeding quickly...hey, go to SA with someone else's forwards back and win...
also, not defending McLeod as our defence has been wowful, but he was very good with the Highlanders, so assuming he doesn;t last long with the AB's, as international rugby seems to be above him, hopefully he wont be lost to NZR rugby
I realise McLeod is the defence coach, but do we know he is responsible for the defensive system the ABs are using? How do we know it wasn't a system devised by the 'brains trust' and he is just tasked with implementing it? Did the Highlanders use a similar system?
I really don't know how you would reply to that, so are you saying the defence coach is just there doing nothing? If he's not the main part of setting up defence system , and had any morals he would of resigned wouldn't he?? And who would be the so called brains trust that sets up these things without in put from the coaches involved?
No not saying McLeod is doing nothing. The brains trust would be Foster and whoever he trusts. It is not out of the realms of possibility that McLeod was under instructions to implement a system that was not entirely his own. That's what assistants often do.
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
"Robertson told the interview panel that his assistants would be All Blacks defence coach Scott McLeod, who had worked under Sir Steve Hansen since late 2017 and is now in Foster's group, Blues head coach Leon MacDonald, Crusaders forwards coach Jason Ryan and Hurricanes assistant (now head coach) Jason Holland."
Man, that's a very good group of coaches.
Canes fans may disagree.
Holland would be on par with the muppets we have just got rid off. Also unsure where Robertson would use Rangi who appears much more an overall 'manager' than technical guy.
I'd be more excited if Tony Brown was attack coach.Leon's a technical guy.
He did 6 years as an Assistant Coach with the Mako and another year of Ass coaching for Razor at the Crusaders. He was initially recruited as an Ass coach at the Blues.
I recall those 40 degree guys (whatever their name was) who used to do those analysis videos did one of the Mako showing they were using a unique pod system under Leon.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
"Robertson told the interview panel that his assistants would be All Blacks defence coach Scott McLeod, who had worked under Sir Steve Hansen since late 2017 and is now in Foster's group, Blues head coach Leon MacDonald, Crusaders forwards coach Jason Ryan and Hurricanes assistant (now head coach) Jason Holland."
Man, that's a very good group of coaches.
Canes fans may disagree.
Holland would be on par with the muppets we have just got rid off. Also unsure where Robertson would use Rangi who appears much more an overall 'manager' than technical guy.
I'd be more excited if Tony Brown was attack coach.Umm, I though the Highlanders had exploded the Tony Brown myth?
i dont think its a myth hes a great attack or assistant coach...he's just not a head coach...and has said pretty much that himself, he bowed to some pressure and took the top job largely because no one better put their hand up and he loves the team
Well put. Brown is by far the most innovative attack guy we have. Not his fault that he hasn't had the top players to work with. I used to have high hopes for Jason O'Halloran as well.
At least these guys look to create pictures that the opposition haven't seen before which, in turn, creates opportunities for the instinctive skills to finish off. That's way better than the current one of hoping to be in the right 'shape' when the opposition makes a mistake. That one only works against teams ranked below us (a number that is getting less) -
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
It all points to the stupidity of the recruitment process, where you had to see who you could get in your gang, rather than appointing a Head Coach and then appointing the best available assistants.
No wonder Foster ended up with guys probably out of their depth.
NZ Rugby will have had to pay these guys out plenty and the buck for that stops with the people who couldn't see this was a foolish idea.
In a way, you really can "blame Deans" for this, because if he'd pointed out the stupidity of him trying to recruit before he was appointed, maybe NZR wouldn't have latched on to such a dumb idea.
plumtree was rated very highly. My view more as an assistant coach maybe like brown. He had had international experience too
Maybe the issue is higher up
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@Bones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Hooroo said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Bones said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Hooroo cool. You bothered to come here to post that? Huh, maybe you're more invested than you make out...
No, why? It’s an Internet forum and I have it on my phone. I check it every now and then.
Yeah nah sure, just saying it's a bit weird to post that you don't care. There's a wine thread I don't care about, I don't feel the need to post there about how I don't care.
You’ll prolly find it was just an addition to my post.
It really was no trouble to post that. There’s no effort and my thumbs didn’t get tired
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@The-Docter said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Hooroo all good mate. I am not into the whole banter or trolling, just keen to share and hear views of passionate AB's and NZ rugby followrs
Yeah. Neither here. I actively delete trolling posts.
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Brief bio on McLeod, since I googled it.
It doesn't say he's immortal.
That's a nauseating read. "Defence guru".
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@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
I used to have high hopes for Jason O'Halloran as well.
yeah me too, he seems to have slipped off the radar, I see he has had a few assistant gigs since 2015 in Scotland and now in Japan.
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@Winger said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
plumtree was rated very highly.
And with the benefit of hindsight we should perhaps start to question those who spruiked his abilities.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Crucial said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kirwan said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@kiwi_expat said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
"Robertson told the interview panel that his assistants would be All Blacks defence coach Scott McLeod, who had worked under Sir Steve Hansen since late 2017 and is now in Foster's group, Blues head coach Leon MacDonald, Crusaders forwards coach Jason Ryan and Hurricanes assistant (now head coach) Jason Holland."
Man, that's a very good group of coaches.
Canes fans may disagree.
Holland would be on par with the muppets we have just got rid off. Also unsure where Robertson would use Rangi who appears much more an overall 'manager' than technical guy.
I'd be more excited if Tony Brown was attack coach.Umm, I though the Highlanders had exploded the Tony Brown myth?
i dont think its a myth hes a great attack or assistant coach...he's just not a head coach...and has said pretty much that himself, he bowed to some pressure and took the top job largely because no one better put their hand up and he loves the team
@Crazy-Horse said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Kiwiwomble said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
one question, did Ryan have any input in the squad selection? if not we're not exactly giving him a fair crack at succeeding quickly...hey, go to SA with someone else's forwards back and win...
also, not defending McLeod as our defence has been wowful, but he was very good with the Highlanders, so assuming he doesn;t last long with the AB's, as international rugby seems to be above him, hopefully he wont be lost to NZR rugby
I realise McLeod is the defence coach, but do we know he is responsible for the defensive system the ABs are using? How do we know it wasn't a system devised by the 'brains trust' and he is just tasked with implementing it? Did the Highlanders use a similar system?
have to say im not actually observant/smart enough to tell you....when i played all i did was tackle the closest guy that wasn't wearing the same jersey as me
Sometimes they even had the ball!
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Holland was in Razor’s team which people are saying yuck. But the Canes attack, which he runs, is really innovative. It is all the rest that is the problem. I think he would have been fine under Razor as an assist, but can’t lead a team to save his life - seems quite common!
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@Machpants said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
Holland was in Razor’s team which people are saying yuck. But the Canes attack, which he runs, is really innovative. It is all the rest that is the problem. I think he would have been fine under Razor as an assist, but can’t lead a team to save his life - seems quite common!
It seems to be a Head Coach it takes a special bred,A lot of very good Assistant coaches around.
Tony Brown an example great asst coach but it seems a shit HC.
Holland is seems the same. -
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@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
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@mariner4life Under Hansen - but, no idea exactly when and i don't have time for "research" today.
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
If wiki is accurate:
"He replaced Wayne Smith as defence coach for the All Blacks after their third Bledisloe test against Australia on 22nd of October 2017" -
@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
he left us after the 2017 super season
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@mariner4life said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
@Chris-B said in Foster must go / Assistant Coach changes:
On MacLeod, anyone want to work out how many tries per game we concede under his systems - especially vs tier 1 opposition?
Even in this Ireland series, my count is we scored 11 to their 8.
Maybe he's not as bad as painted?
when did he come on board?
When it all started going to shit - 2017 after the Professor left. There's a magnificent correlation since then...
Scott McLeod | Halo Sport
