Foster's Firsts.
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@taniwharugby said in Foster's Firsts.:
@sparky ordinarily I'd say you can't attribute that to the coaching, but there is certainly some issues with our discipline which does come back to coaching
If it’s the coaching things may not get better next year. The Saders get pinged a hell of a lot.
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@Crazy-Horse but they didn't get alot of cards do they, and usually a bit more calculated?
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@taniwharugby said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Crazy-Horse but they didn't get alot of cards do they, and usually a bit more calculated?
I haven't see any stats but it seems to me they got carded a fair bit too. Or maybe it seemed that way to me because I support them.
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@Crazy-Horse I know there is always lenty of chat in match threads about how.much they get away with or deserve cards....
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@taniwharugby said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Crazy-Horse I know there is always lenty of chat in match threads about how.much they get away with or deserve cards....
Yeah but I think on here the Saders would be called evil
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Penalties not too bad, YCs they ranked 8th this year. 1st (meaning fewest YCs) was the Chiefs
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lol Wayne Smith was shit!
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I think this is accurate: Foster 2020-2023
Wins: 28 (68.3%)
Losses: 11 (26.8%)
Draws: 2 (4.9%)So if we bomb out in the QF
Wins: 30 (68.2%)
Losses: 12 (27.3%)
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Lucky Australia didn't have a purple patch during that time otherwise.......
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Here is a stat. Against SA, France, and Ireland since 2020, the ABs winning statistic is 33%. That is 8 losses, 4 wins.
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I note that almost all those coaches with poorer results got the chop before 4 years. As should have Foster (because at that point his results were even worse).
Some of those guys only had one losing tour, and then were axed. The series loss to Ireland would have been the end of a coach in previous times.
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@Machpants said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Nevorian said in Foster's Firsts.:
Foz could be first AB coach to have win ratio below 70% ? Might have to fact check that one
Nah nowhere near (from 2022)
Fred Allen is missing and had a 100% record from 14 Tests. Never lost a game IIRC and had one draw.
There's some names there like Ivan Vodanovich & JJ Stewart I really don't want to ever see again.... And we think the last few years have been a bit shit.
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster's Firsts.:
I note that almost all those coaches with poorer results got the chop before 4 years. As should have Foster (because at that point his results were even worse).
Some of those guys only had one losing tour, and then were axed.
The series loss to Ireland would have been the end of a coach in previous times.Different era. Coaches were appointed according to the touring schedule and being coach for more than a couple of years was very unusual. Coaching GOAT Fred Allen (won all 14 Tests) was only in the job for 2 years and JJ Stewart coached for 3 more years after losing a series at home to England in '73.
The closest parallel to today is Vodanovich who was replaced by the 1970's Coaching Jesus Bob Duff.
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@Chester-Draws said in Foster's Firsts.:
I note that almost all those coaches with poorer results got the chop before 4 years. As should have Foster (because at that point his results were even worse).
Some of those guys only had one losing tour, and then were axed. The series loss to Ireland would have been the end of a coach in previous times.
Different times for sure.
They were ruthless on players too, Buck Shelford got dropped because the ABs didn’t beat Scotland convincingly.
Worth pointing out a very good Scots team that had just won a Grand Slam and contained all timers like David Sole, John Jeffrey, Finlay Calder, Gary Armstrong and the Hastings bros.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Machpants said in Foster's Firsts.:
@Nevorian said in Foster's Firsts.:
Foz could be first AB coach to have win ratio below 70% ? Might have to fact check that one
Nah nowhere near (from 2022)
Fred Allen is missing and had a 100% record from 14 Tests. Never lost a game IIRC and had one draw.
There's some names there like Ivan Vodanovich & JJ Stewart I really don't want to ever see again.... And we think the last few years have been a bit shit.
Yeah I only included the 70% and less which is relevant to the incorrect statement
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@MN5 said in Foster's Firsts.:
They were ruthless on players too, Buck Shelford got dropped because the ABs didn’t beat Scotland convincingly.
IIRC our win ratio for the next 5 years plummeted to below 70% when it was nearly 100% under Buck.
Clearly, being ruthless on players worked out well back then.
