The Current State of Rugby
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I've lost track of what they tried. I think you're right
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@Duluth said in The Current State of Rugby:
I would like to see a limit on the number of substitutions trialled. Keep 8 on the bench but only 4 tactical subs? It's probably too easy to game the system now though
in essence i agree but i know why it will be shouted down
Players associations will say now because player welfare
But the number of cards will skyrocket as fatigued players make bad decisions or just plain can't get to the right position. And people will hate it. -
@Duluth said in The Current State of Rugby:
@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
i guess, my view is (and i know it's just my view) i would take a bit of "mess" as rugby at the elite level is so very very structured now. And i believe to the detriment of the spectacle. I have NFL that i follow religiously for that. Rugby is at its best with a bit of chaos
Probably need fatigue to get the chaos back. Players who are gassed struggle to stay in the defence pattern, make tactical errors on attack etc. It also allows freaks like Jones/McCaw to stand out
So anything to speed up the game would be good
I would like to see a limit on the number of substitutions trialled. Keep 8 on the bench but only 4 tactical subs? It's probably too easy to game the system now though
I would go further and say you can make 5 substitutes fullstop, as 3 would have to be saved for front row, would limit how they do it.
But can se problems as mariner4life says player association might have a problem and maybe it would be open to abuse re HIA protocols etc. -
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Duluth didnt they trial the lineout numbers thing? Was that under the ELVs?
That trial was last year in Queensland (among some other changes)
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Duluth said in The Current State of Rugby:
I would like to see a limit on the number of substitutions trialled. Keep 8 on the bench but only 4 tactical subs? It's probably too easy to game the system now though
in essence i agree but i know why it will be shouted down
Players associations will say now because player welfare
But the number of cards will skyrocket as fatigued players make bad decisions or just plain can't get to the right position. And people will hate it.Speeding up the game, causing more fatigue, leading to more bad decisions...
Struggle to see the down side
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Duluth said in The Current State of Rugby:
I would like to see a limit on the number of substitutions trialled. Keep 8 on the bench but only 4 tactical subs? It's probably too easy to game the system now though
in essence i agree but i know why it will be shouted down
Players associations will say now because player welfare
But the number of cards will skyrocket as fatigued players make bad decisions or just plain can't get to the right position. And people will hate it.I am vastly less irritated by cards towards the end of games than I am at the beginning.
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@Bones LOL WTF. A fend is now worthy of a red card? I'd get sent off every game.
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@antipodean it was ruled leading with the elbow, but it fucking wasn't. It was a guy running into his elbow as he'd raised his arm to fend - the guy still complete the tackle iirc.
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Richard Cockerill laughs off Wayne Smith's call to outlaw the maul
England coach Richard Cockerill has laughed off suggestions that the maul should be outlawed following comments from former All Blacks coach Wayne Smith.
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Cockerills point has a flip side.
The only teams that like the maul are those equipped to take advantage of it.
Like @taniwharugby I think that only a few law applications are required to bring balance to the force.
No second shove. Straight driving only. Make it equitable to a scrum (which is what it is). Proper binding.
If I saw an opponent with the ball and finger tip connection I would run around and tackle them then hold the ref to account. The laws define a bind and fingertips aren’t that. I’d like to hear the ref dispute that. -
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The laws define a bind and fingertips aren’t that. I’d like to hear the ref dispute that.
it's a law they will ignore I suspect. Like touching the ball /rolling it on the ground in a ruck to make it playable - technically illegal, but let go by refs.
You are correct though; lifting a shoulder should be enough for the maul to be over. Or, technically, a scrum. Consistency from refs is critical here
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@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The laws define a bind and fingertips aren’t that. I’d like to hear the ref dispute that.
it's a law they will ignore I suspect. Like touching the ball /rolling it on the ground in a ruck to make it playable - technically illegal, but let go by refs.
You are correct though; lifting a shoulder should be enough for the maul to be over. Or, technically, a scrum. Consistency from refs is critical here
It would simplify law application for scrums and mauls to be consistent. If the 8 in a scrum lifts a shoulder the scrum is over. Extra players can't join scrums. Scrums need to push straight (not roll deliberately). A scrum can't reform etc etc
On the other hand flankers will need to keep a full bind on the scrum until it is over (good thing)
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
On the other hand flankers will need to keep a full bind on the scrum until it is over (good thing)
or reward dominant scrums by letting flankers detach like the old days. Puts some risk reward - but you'd have to allow pushover tries, and reset scrums on the line, not 5 m out again. It's crazy how risk averse rugby is ins ome areas, while allowing weirdly flexible intepretations in others (contesting high balls, looking at you)
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@nzzp I try to think of things as simplifying the game for players, refs and punters without losing what makes rugby unique (range of body sizes and skills)
I think we can still keep skills and contest at scrums and mauls but just keep the rules simple and consistent. Powerful organised packs will still benefit but not at the expense of making the game look unfair or silly. -
We've all had a justifiable moan about delays in the game, pedantic reffing and players slowing the game down.
But credit to the Rugby authorities for the changes made this year - the SRP & 6N games so far have generally been outstanding
