The Current State of Rugby
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@mariner4life said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Duluth said in The Current State of Rugby:
I would like to see a limit on the number of substitutions trialled. Keep 8 on the bench but only 4 tactical subs? It's probably too easy to game the system now though
in essence i agree but i know why it will be shouted down
Players associations will say now because player welfare
But the number of cards will skyrocket as fatigued players make bad decisions or just plain can't get to the right position. And people will hate it.I am vastly less irritated by cards towards the end of games than I am at the beginning.
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@Bones LOL WTF. A fend is now worthy of a red card? I'd get sent off every game.
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@antipodean it was ruled leading with the elbow, but it fucking wasn't. It was a guy running into his elbow as he'd raised his arm to fend - the guy still complete the tackle iirc.
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Richard Cockerill laughs off Wayne Smith's call to outlaw the maul
England coach Richard Cockerill has laughed off suggestions that the maul should be outlawed following comments from former All Blacks coach Wayne Smith.
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Cockerills point has a flip side.
The only teams that like the maul are those equipped to take advantage of it.
Like @taniwharugby I think that only a few law applications are required to bring balance to the force.
No second shove. Straight driving only. Make it equitable to a scrum (which is what it is). Proper binding.
If I saw an opponent with the ball and finger tip connection I would run around and tackle them then hold the ref to account. The laws define a bind and fingertips aren’t that. I’d like to hear the ref dispute that. -
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The laws define a bind and fingertips aren’t that. I’d like to hear the ref dispute that.
it's a law they will ignore I suspect. Like touching the ball /rolling it on the ground in a ruck to make it playable - technically illegal, but let go by refs.
You are correct though; lifting a shoulder should be enough for the maul to be over. Or, technically, a scrum. Consistency from refs is critical here
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@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
The laws define a bind and fingertips aren’t that. I’d like to hear the ref dispute that.
it's a law they will ignore I suspect. Like touching the ball /rolling it on the ground in a ruck to make it playable - technically illegal, but let go by refs.
You are correct though; lifting a shoulder should be enough for the maul to be over. Or, technically, a scrum. Consistency from refs is critical here
It would simplify law application for scrums and mauls to be consistent. If the 8 in a scrum lifts a shoulder the scrum is over. Extra players can't join scrums. Scrums need to push straight (not roll deliberately). A scrum can't reform etc etc
On the other hand flankers will need to keep a full bind on the scrum until it is over (good thing)
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@Crucial said in The Current State of Rugby:
On the other hand flankers will need to keep a full bind on the scrum until it is over (good thing)
or reward dominant scrums by letting flankers detach like the old days. Puts some risk reward - but you'd have to allow pushover tries, and reset scrums on the line, not 5 m out again. It's crazy how risk averse rugby is ins ome areas, while allowing weirdly flexible intepretations in others (contesting high balls, looking at you)
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@nzzp I try to think of things as simplifying the game for players, refs and punters without losing what makes rugby unique (range of body sizes and skills)
I think we can still keep skills and contest at scrums and mauls but just keep the rules simple and consistent. Powerful organised packs will still benefit but not at the expense of making the game look unfair or silly. -
We've all had a justifiable moan about delays in the game, pedantic reffing and players slowing the game down.
But credit to the Rugby authorities for the changes made this year - the SRP & 6N games so far have generally been outstanding
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@sparky said in The Current State of Rugby:
Why are these weeks Super Rugby games all taking place in Melbourne in front of looks like a few hundred people? Weird.
Marketing. Who can work out their 4D chess?
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
@sparky said in The Current State of Rugby:
Why are these weeks Super Rugby games all taking place in Melbourne in front of looks like a few hundred people? Weird.
Marketing. Who can work out their 4D chess?
The key question must have been Where is the worst possible place for us to schedule six games of rugby in one weekend
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@Donsteppa isn't it the TV money that is important, meaning bums in seats, while not a good look is largely irrelevant?
I mean for so many teams to give up a home game to be in Melbourne must be a good sized carrot.
