The Current State of Rugby
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Current State of Rugby:
Yeah I'm firmly on this train. During some of these endless breaks and video reviews I have more than enough time to have a shower, shave and a long poo. Reminds me why I stopped my subscription to Stan. International rugby is absolutely shit as a spectacle and if I wasn't this invested after 40 odd years I'd happily spend my time doing other things.
The game is still wonderful. It's great just watching it at school level. But fŭck this TV product.
The girl came into the lounge this morning and bemoaned the fact that the Rugby was STILL on…….( not that we have any exciting plans for a typically windy Wellington day but it’s the principle )
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@MN5 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Current State of Rugby:
Yeah I'm firmly on this train. During some of these endless breaks and video reviews I have more than enough time to have a shower, shave and a long poo. Reminds me why I stopped my subscription to Stan. International rugby is absolutely shit as a spectacle and if I wasn't this invested after 40 odd years I'd happily spend my time doing other things.
The game is still wonderful. It's great just watching it at school level. But fŭck this TV product.
The girl came into the lounge this morning and bemoaned the fact that the Rugby was STILL on…….( not that we have any exciting plans for a typically windy Wellington day but it’s the principle )
Yeah I don't have time to make a day of it.
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One thing that would be a great improvement is automating the offside line policing with cameras and AI. So the refs aren't directly involved, just get a word in their ear, and can focus on other things.
At the moment, the constant 0.5m offsides make for a shit spectacle, and it's only ever randomly policed.
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@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
The professional game has been moving away from the rest of us for years. Because money.
In England, the professional game seems to have imploded. Might just be a good thing and force a re-think here at all levels.
Not too sure that the game itself is getting less a spectacle or enjoyable. The 6N's have developed into a really high quality event in the last few years - close games, unexpected results and some outstanding rugby.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Current State of Rugby:
The game is still wonderful. It's great just watching it at school level. But fŭck this TV product.
This in a nutshell. When the game is driven by what makes a good TV spectacle, it loses out. Anthems, Haka and then on with the game - the commercial breaks before kick-off make me want to throw a brick at the TV.
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@MN5 said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Current State of Rugby:
Yeah I'm firmly on this train. During some of these endless breaks and video reviews I have more than enough time to have a shower, shave and a long poo. Reminds me why I stopped my subscription to Stan. International rugby is absolutely shit as a spectacle and if I wasn't this invested after 40 odd years I'd happily spend my time doing other things.
The game is still wonderful. It's great just watching it at school level. But fŭck this TV product.
The girl came into the lounge this morning and bemoaned the fact that the Rugby was STILL on…….( not that we have any exciting plans for a typically windy Wellington day but it’s the principle )
Just tell her "four more years"
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I think they need to go back to the TMO only looking at foul play or if the ref asks.to.look at something.
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
As @mariner4life says, it's like rugby hates itself...
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@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
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@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
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@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
A decent 15 man game is vastly better than a decent 13 man game for me anytime - the Fiji-Oz game being a case in point. Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track IMHO.
That said, SOO is up there with an AB-Bok game for intensity.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track
But something needs to be done, although it would seem the powers that be don't see the same issues?
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@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
Not much needs to be done to get the game back on track
But something needs to be done, although it would seem the powers that be don't see the same issues?
Doubt they see the issues while the moolah keeps rolling in and viewing figures hold up.
A lot of it seems to be around the TMO, reffing guidelines and head contact which has become a real mess and needs a re-think and some changes. But the head honchos need to admit there's a problem first.
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@junior said in The Current State of Rugby:
@nzzp said in The Current State of Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
@taniwharugby said in The Current State of Rugby:
Right now it feels like they are looking for something wrong in everything, which there is, often given how technical things have become.
You've nailed it for me.
And me.
Looking for reasons to get people off the field
The fact the solution in rugby is so often to remove people from the field simply supports the case for the existence of the 13 man code
We've been conditioned into accepting unintentional acts are evil.
Angus Ta'avao (edit: and the Portman/Retallick tackle of course)
Sam CurryThere's a bunch of people who get into a poor position and wind up smashing heads - it's clearly not a plan, but it's treated the same as someone who tries to take someone's head off with a swinging arm. I think rugby's trying to treat inadvertent contact the same as intentional contact, but only if the TMO looks at it - and only if there's not some random mitigation applied. It's just weird, and it sucks for the fans.
And the natural end point is the appeal to the ref for cards... the system's broken when you start having that as part of your gameplan.
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The emphasis is on eliminating head contact and from that aspect malicious or accidental doesn't come into it. Perhaps the answer is biting the bullet and lowering tackle height substantially?
Having said all that, the Fiji - Oz game was a real belter with big hits, serious physicality and bugger all head contact issues. Makes you wonder if it's the players and coaches that need to change.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
The emphasis is on eliminating head contact and from that aspect malicious or accidental doesn't come into it. Perhaps the answer is biting the bullet and lowering tackle height substantially?
I have no issues if we are serious about this, but that's not what we're getting at the moment. The risk/reward framework is munted.
How can you argue the French lock is a yellow, and then random others are red, and then there are incidents that don't even get picked up. It's the total randomness that does my nut.
Treading on well trodden ground, but if you're serious about lowering tackle height, I think yo uneed to look at the breakdown as well, to encourage people taking the hips and sliding down. That may mean no pops off the ground any more, only placing. And then really cracking down on anything high - so that you know even if it gets missed during the game, there will be a consequence later.
Right now, the incentive is to flirt with dominant physical tackles up top, because that is what the game seems to demand. And then occasionally it gest picked up, well, that's that.
