Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2
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@Higgins said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@antipodean said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
- A player who is offside at a ruck, maul, scrum or lineout remains offside, even after the ruck, maul, scrum or lineout has ended.
To me the word "at" seems to apply to those not actually participating "in" the ruck ie the defensive line including guard dogs. If you are part of a ruck that you joined from behind the hindmost foot then you cannot be offside provided you are still bound
I have no idea on the ruling. I'm just upset those of you who know the rules are just as confused as I am.
But on the English: to me at means connected to, on the spot.
If they meant people not part of the ruck they should have said by, or next to. Not at.
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@nostrildamus said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Higgins said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@antipodean said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
- A player who is offside at a ruck, maul, scrum or lineout remains offside, even after the ruck, maul, scrum or lineout has ended.
To me the word "at" seems to apply to those not actually participating "in" the ruck ie the defensive line including guard dogs. If you are part of a ruck that you joined from behind the hindmost foot then you cannot be offside provided you are still bound
I have no idea on the ruling. I'm just upset those of you who know the rules are just as confused as me.
But on the English: to me at means connected to, on the spot.
If they meant people not part of the ruck they should have said by, or next to. Not at.
If you are at the hospital you aren't in the building next door.By at in this instance. They mean - at the time of, not at the place of.
E.g. you are a winger a retreating after a failed kick chase. The kick receipt forms a ruck and you are still retiring 20m offside at the time of the ruck. You are still offside when that ruck finishes and the oppositon pass it to you while you are in their backline.
Rules should be written in language, not English, with a smaller less vague vocabulary. English is great for poetry, terrible for ruby laws ....
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@Rapido said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@nostrildamus said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Higgins said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@antipodean said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
- A player who is offside at a ruck, maul, scrum or lineout remains offside, even after the ruck, maul, scrum or lineout has ended.
To me the word "at" seems to apply to those not actually participating "in" the ruck ie the defensive line including guard dogs. If you are part of a ruck that you joined from behind the hindmost foot then you cannot be offside provided you are still bound
I have no idea on the ruling. I'm just upset those of you who know the rules are just as confused as me.
But on the English: to me at means connected to, on the spot.
If they meant people not part of the ruck they should have said by, or next to. Not at.
If you are at the hospital you aren't in the building next door.By at in this instance. They mean - at the time of, not at the place of.
E.g. you are a winger a retreating after a failed kick chase. The kick receipt forms a ruck and you are still retiring 20m offside at the time of the ruck. You are still offside when that ruck finishes and the oppisiton pass it to you while you are in their backline.
Rules should be written in language, not Engliosh, with a smaller less vague vocabulary. English is great for poetry, terrible for ruby laws ....
I see. But it is not exactly intuitive.
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@Rapido but the off-side line is determined by the place of the ruck, or more importantly, the last foot at the place of the ruck, not at the of time the ruck or the time of the foot being at the back...
So more ambiguity?
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@Crucial @antipodean this situation is problematic on several fronts because of how other the ruck is officiating more generally.
He joins the ruck from an onside position. He leans on bodies in that ruck so that means he is part of the ruck / off his feet so can’t play the ball. He doesn’t play the ball but makes a play for the halfback in an attempted tackle (there’s no other way to describe that because he isn’t driving over the ball).
In all my knowledge of the game a player needs to come from an onside position to make a tackle in that situation.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Crucial @antipodean this situation is problematic on several fronts because of how other the ruck is officiating more generally.
He joins the ruck from an onside position. He leans on bodies in that ruck so that means he is part of the ruck / off his feet so can’t play the ball. He doesn’t play the ball but makes a play for the halfback in an attempted tackle (there’s no other way to describe that because he isn’t driving over the ball).
In all my knowledge of the game a player needs to come from an onside position to make a tackle in that situation.
I believe I covered that earlier - he's always onside. What I find contentious is the perception he can't play the ball which is out of the ruck.
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@Stargazer said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
insert Bill Cosby meme here ^^^^
after searching rugby laws all morning and failing, I have no energy to find a meme lol
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Despite TJP's slow delivery, the MABs have created enough opportunities to win this game by +20. At this level, when you miss so many opportunities, a win is not conceivable. Don't blame Dickson's very poor refereeing for this defeat, the Maoris should have won this one easily. I am among those who think that Zarn Sullivan and Suafoa's absences did not help their cause.
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@antipodean said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
@Crucial @antipodean this situation is problematic on several fronts because of how other the ruck is officiating more generally.
He joins the ruck from an onside position. He leans on bodies in that ruck so that means he is part of the ruck / off his feet so can’t play the ball. He doesn’t play the ball but makes a play for the halfback in an attempted tackle (there’s no other way to describe that because he isn’t driving over the ball).
In all my knowledge of the game a player needs to come from an onside position to make a tackle in that situation.
I believe I covered that earlier - he's always onside. What I find contentious is the perception he can't play the ball which is out of the ruck.
What constitutes being part of the ruck? Isn't he "unbound" therefore offside? Or is that only mauls?
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@cgrant said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
Despite TJP's slow delivery, the MABs have created enough opportunities to win this game by +20. At this level, when you miss so many opportunities, a win is not conceivable. Don't blame Dickson's very poor refereeing for this defeat, the Maoris should have won this one easily. I am among those who think that Zarn Sullivan and Suafoa's absences did not help their cause.
The MAB looked more dangerous but they played dumb rugby and as already posted did not play territory and force Ireland to create something.
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@chimoaus said in Māori All Blacks v Ireland 2:
What is the law about not playing the ball he is referring too? If the ruck is over, and he is onside then why can't he go for the ball?
I thought the ruck is only over once the ball is picked up by the "halfback".
