All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@mariner4life We fucked ourselves with a stupid selection process that meant all the potential assistants had to take sides before the Head Coach was appointed.
@Frank - plenty of chance, but I think it would be a dumb move.
Joe quit coaching because he was burned out and he will have used all his best ideas already with Ireland. Meanwhile we've got a younger guy jumping out of his skin for the job, who has made it pretty clear he's been preparing for the job for about the last five years.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - but, I think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
its not though is it...all international coaches have similar situations...they just all seems to be handling it better
and hell, we're two and half years into COVID, the rest of us have all had learn to charge how we work...where the AB's seem completely caught off guard
I'm meaning compared to previous All Black coaches and their records - so I'm prepared to wear a few extra losses in the percentage column.
I don't really think we've been caught off guard compared to anyone else?
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@Chris-B i just mean, all teams have to deal with COVID but we're losing more than we did before COVID....so if its effecting things then it seems to be effecting us more
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B i just mean, all teams have to deal with COVID but we're losing more than we did before COVID....so if its effecting things then it seems to be effecting us more
Replace Covid with Foster
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@Machpants more what i was going for, COVID is just another thing he's not handling well...
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants more what i was going for, COVID is just another thing he's not handling well...
It’s just awesome on his excuse matrix though, like cards, and Argentina ‘surprising’ us. The knobjockey
Where does the buck stop? Obviously before the coaching staff
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The stupidest thing about the foster selection was that his only credential was having worked under Hansen. Hansen was a great coach but should have gone after the lions.
Robertson + Schmidt + O gara would be tidy (o gara is locked I to La Rochelle I think). Otherwise a bit of Joseph and Browne into the mix.
Win/win this weekend would be ABs winning and Foster getting the sack!
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants more what i was going for, COVID is just another thing he's not handling well...
It’s just awesome on his excuse matrix though, like cards, and Argentina ‘surprising’ us. The knobjockey
Where does the buck stop? Obviously before the coaching staff
its not an excuse though, as i said, other coaches are handling it and the rest of us do in the real world, its part of the job now and he's not doing it well
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
World Rugby may ask Jaco Peyper to change his tune on several controversial decisions in Ireland’s win over All Blacks
Does the recipient have to end up with broken bones or a severe concussion for it to warrant a red card? Answer on a postcard to World Rugby
It takes some chutzpah to complain that you were dudded in the refereeing when you compare Dalton's perfectly legitimate penalty and Lowe's coat hanger.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
THis made me laugh, good sledge
“Who do you think you are? You’re a shit Richie McCaw pal,” O’Mahony to Cane
Kinda like Stuart McGill (hypothetically) being told you're a shit Shane Warne, or Mark Waugh being told he's not the best cricketer in his family.
Not the worst insult to receive.
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@antipodean and the drop he made immediately prior to the coathanger, is mentioned in the article, but not the coathanger...
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it's a shit sledge because we all are. Every single player to ever pull on a boot
you didn't sound so fucking tough crying at the ref last week Peter.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
it's a shit sledge because we all are. Every single player to ever pull on a boot
you didn't sound so fucking tough crying at the ref last week Peter.
If the sledge is true, the schoolyard response should've been delivered; "true, but I'm still better than you"
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‘Highlander’ on The Roar sums up the situation nicely:
“This All Black side is playing with zero control, everything looks hurried, trying to score every time they get the ball and not playing the longer game of building pressure until your opposition cracks.
“We all saw in the Super Rugby Pacific final which model works the best. The Razor Robertson constrictor model choked the very life out of the hit-and-run Blues side, but at international level, the All Black coaching team chooses to ignore basic tenets and revert to the Helter Skelter model as their default. It may well work on occasion, but it sure is not the way to be a consistently successful international rugby team.
“If a board of directors were analysing the performance of their CEO and executive management team, now would be the time to take serious action. We have a Rugby World Cup only 16 matches away so now is the time for root-and-branch cuts in the coaching, strategy and playing staff of this All Black organisation.”
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
THis made me laugh, good sledge
“Who do you think you are? You’re a shit Richie McCaw pal,” O’Mahony to Cane
Kinda like Stuart McGill (hypothetically) being told you're a shit Shane Warne, or Mark Waugh being told he's not the best cricketer in his family.
Not the worst insult to receive.
I looking forwad to see who isn't a shit Richie McCaw
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse i think the argument is he may have seen his support was being tackled and not passed, in which case you cant "punish" ireland for playing to the whistle, you have to boil it down to first principles,
tackled without the ball ? yes.....if that tackler wasn't there is there a clear overlap and no cover? yes
This
Sexton went to pass and then held and took the tackle
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@antipodean POM is an awesome player
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The result next weekend is irrelevant. No improvement, no growth in 3 years. No plan. A board meeting is necessary.
