All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crazy-Horse isnt the rule supposed to be made whereby you are essentially removing the offending player from the equation, and then determine if a try probably would have been scored.
I personally think YC & PT (would also have avoided the RC, sliding doors and all)
To me that would be fair enough if the pass was made to a supporting player who was no longer there, or the ball carrier was preparing to make the pass.
I am of the opinion that the double whammy of a penalty try and yellow card is too harsh for a lot of offences One or the other for me. I hate cards so I would probably settle for a penalty try only.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I am of the opinion that the double whammy of a penalty try and yellow card is too harsh for a lot of offences
ha, well that is another conversation for which I agree...
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@Crazy-Horse i think the argument is he may have seen his support was being tackled and not passed, in which case you cant "punish" ireland for playing to the whistle, you have to boil it down to first principles,
tackled without the ball ? yes.....if that tackler wasn't there is there a clear overlap and no cover? yes
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - and that is true, but, I still think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Fozzie is the best man for the job
it's not just him. In modern football the assistants are just as big a piece of the puzzle. And right now i can't think of a single thing that is awesome. Set piece? no. Ruck work? no. Attack? no. Defense? no. Skills? no
I wouldn't keep any of them
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - but, I think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
its not though is it...all international coaches have similar situations...they just all seems to be handling it better
and hell, we're two and half years into COVID, the rest of us have all had learn to charge how we work...where the AB's seem completely caught off guard
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@Frank wonder if Razor would be happy to work with/under Schmidt? Schmidt is only there as a selector technical advisor presently isnt he?
Maybe he stays on lets Razor run the ship?
@Chris-B this year could get very, very ugly, but I'm not sure NZR have the balls to make a big call, and would Fozzie take himself out of the equation?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Fozzie is the best man for the job
it's not just him. In modern football the assistants are just as big a piece of the puzzle. And right now i can't think of a single thing that is awesome. Set piece? no. Ruck work? no. Attack? no. Defense? no. Skills? no
I wouldn't keep any of them
I don't think Foster attracts particularly good assistants TBH, there's probably a few guys biding their time until a decent head coach is appointed, so we are stuck with e.g. McLeod's passive defense for the 6th(?) year in a row.
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@mariner4life We fucked ourselves with a stupid selection process that meant all the potential assistants had to take sides before the Head Coach was appointed.
@Frank - plenty of chance, but I think it would be a dumb move.
Joe quit coaching because he was burned out and he will have used all his best ideas already with Ireland. Meanwhile we've got a younger guy jumping out of his skin for the job, who has made it pretty clear he's been preparing for the job for about the last five years.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B you have to wonder if Fozzie is genuinely concerned with things, or if he is happy with how we are tracking, then add in NZR.
If we lose this weekend, the blow torch surely goes on full, and the other thing, if we lose again, playing poor rugby, will stadiums keep selling out, that will hit NZR, and also does brand damage when we play Aus and cant even sell a stadium out.
Is Wellington sold out yet?
I'm sure he's concerned, but he probably doesn't have the full set of tools to fix it. Someone pointed out that he's had a unique set of circumstances to deal with - with covid, etc (to which I'd add the advent of the crazy card game) - but, I think I've seen enough. The mediocrity in results correlates pretty strongly with what some of the Chiefs' supporters were warning about when he was appointed.
This coming weekend will be pretty interesting. Then we've got the retaining the Bledisloe hurdle, then the Jaapies at home hurdle and then EOYT.
Pretty sure the axe won't fall until after TRC and probably after the EOYT.
I'd actually bet against it falling at all, but really execution should only be stayed if NZR genuinely believe Fozzie is the best man for the job (or it's going to cost millions and millions to axe him).
its not though is it...all international coaches have similar situations...they just all seems to be handling it better
and hell, we're two and half years into COVID, the rest of us have all had learn to charge how we work...where the AB's seem completely caught off guard
I'm meaning compared to previous All Black coaches and their records - so I'm prepared to wear a few extra losses in the percentage column.
I don't really think we've been caught off guard compared to anyone else?
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@Chris-B i just mean, all teams have to deal with COVID but we're losing more than we did before COVID....so if its effecting things then it seems to be effecting us more
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris-B i just mean, all teams have to deal with COVID but we're losing more than we did before COVID....so if its effecting things then it seems to be effecting us more
Replace Covid with Foster
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@Machpants more what i was going for, COVID is just another thing he's not handling well...
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants more what i was going for, COVID is just another thing he's not handling well...
It’s just awesome on his excuse matrix though, like cards, and Argentina ‘surprising’ us. The knobjockey
Where does the buck stop? Obviously before the coaching staff
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The stupidest thing about the foster selection was that his only credential was having worked under Hansen. Hansen was a great coach but should have gone after the lions.
Robertson + Schmidt + O gara would be tidy (o gara is locked I to La Rochelle I think). Otherwise a bit of Joseph and Browne into the mix.
Win/win this weekend would be ABs winning and Foster getting the sack!
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Machpants more what i was going for, COVID is just another thing he's not handling well...
It’s just awesome on his excuse matrix though, like cards, and Argentina ‘surprising’ us. The knobjockey
Where does the buck stop? Obviously before the coaching staff
its not an excuse though, as i said, other coaches are handling it and the rest of us do in the real world, its part of the job now and he's not doing it well
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
World Rugby may ask Jaco Peyper to change his tune on several controversial decisions in Ireland’s win over All Blacks
Does the recipient have to end up with broken bones or a severe concussion for it to warrant a red card? Answer on a postcard to World Rugby
It takes some chutzpah to complain that you were dudded in the refereeing when you compare Dalton's perfectly legitimate penalty and Lowe's coat hanger.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
THis made me laugh, good sledge
“Who do you think you are? You’re a shit Richie McCaw pal,” O’Mahony to Cane
Kinda like Stuart McGill (hypothetically) being told you're a shit Shane Warne, or Mark Waugh being told he's not the best cricketer in his family.
Not the worst insult to receive.
