All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test

Victor Meldrew

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@mariner4life I think George Bower has been going well , need somebody to step up in the number 3 jersey

My AB motm

He was great, along with Sevu Reece.

kev

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.

I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?

Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.

As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.

Mo’unga for me kicks better, and is more aggressive with his kicking. If you want someone to move you around the park he is better option at 1st.

What gets me about BB is when we have advantage and he goes for the all or nothing play. Don’t get me wrong, in general play BB’s anticipation and skills at speed make him a match winner.

Both get criticism when team goes backward and they can’t bump off a set of loose forwards and run the length of the field like Dan Carter did every week.

mofitzy_

@booboo
Point being they aren't all conquering in Europe. Which puts us way down the totem pole if we lose again.

Kruse

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).

I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.

Victor Meldrew

@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).

I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.

Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.

Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind

booboo

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@booboo these guys don't suddenly start being unco and unable to catch.

It's all linked to preparation, confidence, trust in those around you, knowing the systems...nothing was in sync last night.

As an aside, Ta'avao getting a RC gets a judiciary visit, if he gets a ban from that contact, rugby is even more fuckeded...

Reckon his HIA stand down will be longer than the disciplinary one.

Bones

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).

I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.

Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.

Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind

Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.

No Quarter

@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.

Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.

I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)

@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.

A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.

I think atrocious discipline is a symptom of a poorly coached team whose "gameplan" is being easily picked off by other teams.

Victor Meldrew

@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).

I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.

Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.

Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind

Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.

OT, but thinking about it, the Ellis Park classic in '13 was the one game when I really didn't care who won after about 5 minutes into the second half. That game was just so damn special to watch.

Victor Meldrew

@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Ludraman said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Nepia ha yeah I was sitting there last night thinking what a clusterfuck.

Didnt the ref say we had to send off a loose forward? DP was already off, we arent gonna send off our captain (as much as some would prefer) AS was the only one.

I do find that rule ridiculous, rugby is a contest, and the forward exchange pivotal to it, not to mention the safety aspect, yet they will happily allow a scrum to be underpowered by forcing the team to remove a forward if a prop is binned, rather than let them choose who to remove (ie a wing more than likely)

@taniwharugby Be thankful the ref didn't know the rules in that situation. If he had, you'd have had to remove two players to bring the prop on and be down to 12 men instead of 13.

A lot of talk about lack of a game plan and structure yesterday. But really it was atrocious discipline that cost you that game.

I think atrocious discipline is a symptom of a poorly coached team whose "gameplan" is being easily picked off by other teams.

Think you have a point as frustration creeps in when things aren't working - which we've seen since 2017. But a lot of it is also down to players taking responsivity themselves as well

Dan54

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Kruse said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).

I know what you mean. From the other side.
I keep thinking that I should be mature enough to take losses like this (watching on TV), and 2019 SF (at the stadium). But I'm not. I fucking hate it. I'm an immature little shit who can't handle the All Blacks losing.
Fuck the world.

Depends how they lose. I get pissed off when they lose and play like shit e.g yesterday.

Losing when they play well is way less painful - still not acceptable, mind

Only game I can think of like that was England over here, I think it was 2012? They outplayed us completely and through no fault of our own. Plus my loss insurance was our (English) blindside saying he'd get a silver fern tattoo if they (England) won.

OT, but thinking about it, the Ellis Park classic in '13 was the one game when I really didn't care who won after about 5 minutes into the second half. That game was just so damn special to watch.

Still say that's the best test I seen sice 2000 Victor, I was living in Aus at time and rcall going to bed after it and not being able to sleep, I was on such a high.

MajorRage

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.

How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.

What planet are you on? We constantly spin it wide without going forward first. If this talent was so successful at running around the opposition, why wouldn't we do that all the time and rack up 50 points?

This. So this.

Earn the right to spin it. Going forwards or broken play with disjointed opposition.

Machpants

@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@booboo
Point being they aren't all conquering in Europe. Which puts us way down the totem pole if we lose again.

What? Losing to the world number 2 team, who had previously lost to the world number 1 team, does not put you way down there totem pole. It puts you 3rd, or worse. In our case world ranking looks about right, 4th in the world due to the continual poor performances under foster the clown

mofitzy_

@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes.

antipodean

@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@antipodean I’m not saying ‘just run it’ from anywhere, I’m saying we need to chance our arm more than we are now and actually back our players to exert dominance through a superior skillset, because fuck me we have the players to do it.

I get that kicking is a way of tactically getting through and over modern day defensive lines but when we get well over the advantage line (even from inside our own half) and we have the opposition back pedalling, surely it’s best to keep ball in hand, no?

Something that Mo’unga has in spades over Beauden is the ability to read when to kick vs when to run no matter where his team is on the park.

As an AB fan, I just think kicking is ingrained into our game atm and I feel like we aren’t always making the right decisisons when we have the opposition under the pump.

Look I agree that we kick poorly. Especially Barrett's open play kicking seems aimless or poorly directed. Made worse by what appears to be a very average chase.

Machpants

@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@Machpants
Accepting being shit is the first step at staying shit. I won't shrug my shoulders because we lost to a team that lost to a team that is likely to win the RWC. If 4thwas overachieving then I'd celebrate it, but is not. It's underachieving with some very obvious causes.

I don't accept it, but It is a fact, the ABs are shit. They are that bad under foster. So a loss to Ireland, who lost to France, didn't put us further down the totem pole, it confirms where we are. And where will stay until foster finally fucks off after the RWC, any coach would do better.

taniwharugby

@Bones not if its a rule, doesn't have to make sense.

pukunui

@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

@pukunui said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:

It should have been Dalton that wasn’t allowed back on because he was the one that went off to allow AT on

That doesn't sound right. Discard the yellow that DP came on for. Pretend it didn't happen. Ardie goes off for the red and isn't replaced. Isn't it that simple?

Yeah I don’t know. Just repeating what i read.
I guess maybe because the guy DP “swapped” with was AT not Ofa. AT gets red therefore can never “swap back”.

Hopefully they clarify it because it is all pretty confusing.