All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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Don't mind losing to a better team if we show up and actually play. This is different. The team has no direction, it is an unstructured mess with some very talented players keeping it from a complete shitshow. Our expectations as fans have been so lowered that we are already putting this to the side and talking about the "better performance" next week.
Holy Shittings! I am completely "Fostered out" (as someone said before). It has been said hundreds of times on here but I'll say it again. Players out of position, stubborn refusal to drop certain "favourites", lack of understandable game plan...... Didn't we see this in a certain Chiefs side? -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
Lol this is hilarious, our whole pack showed no physicality last night yet you continue to blame it all on Savea. How about our so called physical players actually stand up for once. Savea did his job last week but I’ve yet to see any other forward bar up, apart from Sam Whitelock andGeorge Bower.
Last nights loss needs to fall on the shoulders of Sam Cane as captain. He needs to show more as a leader because a couple hard tackles just doesn’t cut it. He is such a handbrake when we have ball in hand aswell, I’ve lost count of how many times he’s dropped the ball over the last couple weeks, he’s hopeless. Then there’s the likes of Codie Taylor, Ofa, Scott Barrett and Dalton who didn’t do anything last night. In fact when Ardie went off we literally had no one to get us over the advantage line in that pack.
The fact you didn’t even mention Lester in your match day rundown is a bit of a joke because that was probably the worst performance by any player in Black for about twenty years. He was horrible.
But yeah, let’s just blame it all on Ardie Savea.
Muppet.
Lol fuck what a dipshit post
A post naming a bunch of players for being shit you choose one line and concoct a reply as if it's the whole post
Deluded
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We are so much less than the sum of our parts
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Congrats to Ireland. Dominated.
As others have said the ABs are a total mess all the way around.
We have a forward pack that is as soft as butter with the exception of Bower, Whitelock and sometimes Scott Barrett.
We don't have a proper 10 in either Beauden or Richie that drives the team around field.
We don't have an effective attacking pattern we can go to. We continue with this pod rubbish and biffing it out to a forward 10 metres from the breakdown.
Our defence coach and defence system is in it's 6th season and keeps showing the same failings. 6th season with this defence coach and system is nuts - how to have that sort of job security.
Our coach/selectors refuses to actually drop any senior players from the starting side regardless of performance or to fit a discernible pattern of play.
The culture of the team appears to be completely fucked. Codie Taylor was quoted as saying how 'Ardie is the best player in the world' in relation to the substitute error - they believe their own bullshit - it's this echo-chamber and no one is willing to ask the hard questions. They shrug every loss off as a compliment to the opposition and good for world rugby and then forget about it until it happens again a couple of tests later.
It's no wonder in test rugby we get exposed every other test.
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@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
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Clean out time for the 3rd test. (welcome to my fantasy world)
Foster and his entire coaching group fired, replaced by Scott Robertson with Joe Schmidt kept on.Team.
15 Jordie (there for kicking game but better improve decision making pronto - he takes all line kicks following penalties)
14 Will Jordan or Reece
13 Reiko
12 Goodhue
11 Clarke
10 Barrett last chance or to be replaced by Perofeta (Beauden, show us you can kick accurately in play - you've only had years to improve this aspect of your game)
9 Smith (Fakatava as sub)
8 Sotutu (fuck off Ardie you ruck shy highlights reel)
7 Papalii
6 Akira (bring the hurt Akira or you are to be replaced by Grace)
5 Whitelock (captain)
4 Barrett
3 Fletcher Newell / Tamaiti Williams
2 Samisoni
1 BowerNone of this will happen of course.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Taylor would say that.
Because the alternative, that major changes are needed, means he is dropped from the starting 15. -
@Winger said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt
Players have just got to be more careful. I saw it and first thought was a definite red card.
He had one step to adjust his body position - maybe less than step one as he was already moving in one direction when Ringrose altered direction.
I'm not disputing the red card under the current rules and interpretations of mitigating factors.
The issue is putting all the emphasis on the tackler to prevent head contact when the attacking players actions are part of the equation that results in accidental head contact being a yellow/red card offence.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@KiwiMurph I laughed over that Taylor comment. It’s like the “not far off, just a few tweaks” comments we always hear. They are delusional.
Taylor would say that.
Because the alternative, that major changes are needed, means he is dropped from the starting 15.Funnily enough it's what Irish said last week, believe a few laughed then too.
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ardie was off, he can't come back in
On reflection, somebody had to go when they got back to contested scrums. Not sure of the timing, but one of AS or DP was sitting out the game.
What was fucked up (my broken record) was that they replaced a prop when there was no need as they had GO scrums.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Clean out time for the 3rd test. (welcome to my fantasy world)
Foster and his entire coaching group fired, replaced by Scott Robertson with Joe Schmidt kept on.Team.
15 Jordie (there for kicking game but better improve decision making pronto - he takes all line kicks following penalties)
14 Will Jordan or Reece
13 Reiko
12 Goodhue
11 Clarke
10 Barrett last chance or to be replaced by Perofeta (Beauden, show us you can kick accurately in play - you've only had years to improve this aspect of your game)
9 Smith (Fakatava as sub)
8 Sotutu (fuck off Ardie you ruck shy highlights reel)
7 Papalii
6 Akira (bring the hurt Akira or you are to be replaced by Grace)
5 Whitelock (captain)
4 Barrett
3 Fletcher Newell / Tamaiti Williams
2 Samisoni
1 BowerNone of this will happen of course.
And then you pick one of the most disappointing players in NZ rugby at 6. Robertson would never select Akira Ioane, the guy is a dud. 😂😂😂
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Ardie was off, he can't come back in
On reflection, somebody had to go when they got back to contested scrums. Not sure of the timing, but one of AS or DP was sitting out the game.
What was fucked up (my broken record) was that they replaced a prop when there was no need as they had GO scrums.
As much as we can sit in our armchairs and critique what they did it would have been confusing as fuck on the field trying to figure out all the permutations.
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@MrDenmore I don’t think the World Cup is out of the question. It’s a tournament that really doesn’t have much bearing on what happens prior to it starting.
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
And in these tournaments, unpredictable stuff happens that can turn for better or worst.
I’m more in the camp that there are too many factors at play to judge the here and now and equate that to success or failure at a tournament next year.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MrDenmore I don’t think the World Cup is out of the question. It’s a tournament that really doesn’t have much bearing on what happens prior to it starting.
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
And in these tournaments, unpredictable stuff happens that can turn for better or worst.
I’m more in the camp that there are too many factors at play to judge the here and now and equate that to success or failure at a tournament next year.
It's quite weird that lets say Fozzie wins next week, we retain the Bled, and the Rugby Championship, then head to the RWC and win that. Fozzie would have won everything on offer, the big cups each year and then the RWC. And he'll likely still have the worst record of AB coaches and be considered a failure.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@MrDenmore I don’t think the World Cup is out of the question. It’s a tournament that really doesn’t have much bearing on what happens prior to it starting.
Teams that have made the final or even won it have had varied success in the year or two leading up.
And in these tournaments, unpredictable stuff happens that can turn for better or worst.
I’m more in the camp that there are too many factors at play to judge the here and now and equate that to success or failure at a tournament next year.
It's quite weird that lets say Fozzie wins next week, we retain the Bled, and the Rugby Championship, then head to the RWC and win that. Fozzie would have won everything on offer, the big cups each year and then the RWC. And he'll likely still have the worst record of AB coaches and be considered a failure.
If that happens then there will pigs flying everywhere in the air.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Nothing like an intelligent and compassionate debate from devoted supporters backing their their beloved team win or lose. Truly inspiring for one team for the next match.
We should all just pretend we won! Condescending, pompous nonsense.
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My biggest disappointment in this team is their inability to chance their arm when we have ball in hand. How many times have we gone a couple phases and then aimlessly kicked the ball away? It’s almost ingrained into this team atm, there is no innovation at all.
How about instead of running through the motions we actually chance our arm a little and use the talent at our disposal. The reason the likes of Ardie, Reiko, Jordan, Reece etc are in this side is for their ability to cut teams to shreds, yet we hardly ever spin it wide.
All we are doing at the moment is handing over possession to the other team and then wondering why we are spending large spells of the game defending.
Keep doing the same shit and we’ll keep getting the same results.
