All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
I'm still so angry how hugely our forward pack got rolled tonight.
Even before the cards that some will use as excuses for their favourites
A Savea was shown for his complete lack of physicality
DP was completely invisible.
Scott Barrett missed two assignments that led to points
The front row who weren't Bower sucked (Bower was really good and I'm becoming a huge fan)
Yes Ofa fucked everything but it was shit. The lineout was predictable. The scrum was scratchy
PGS is not good enough to be a test player and it's a disgrace he gets a jersey.
We need new leadership
Lol this is hilarious, our whole pack showed no physicality last night yet you continue to blame it all on Savea. How about our so called physical players actually stand up for once. Savea did his job last week but I’ve yet to see any other forward bar up, apart from Sam Whitelock andGeorge Bower.
Last nights loss needs to fall on the shoulders of Sam Cane as captain. He needs to show more as a leader because a couple hard tackles just doesn’t cut it. He is such a handbrake when we have ball in hand aswell, I’ve lost count of how many times he’s dropped the ball over the last couple weeks, he’s hopeless. Then there’s the likes of Codie Taylor, Ofa, Scott Barrett and Dalton who didn’t do anything last night. In fact when Ardie went off we literally had no one to get us over the advantage line in that pack.
The fact you didn’t even mention Lester in your match day rundown is a bit of a joke because that was probably the worst performance by any player in Black for about twenty years. He was horrible.
But yeah, let’s just blame it all on Ardie Savea.
Muppet.
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For the first try, poor defence from: Tu'ungufasi, Cane, and Tupaea. Our whole line speed and structure on defence poor. Retallick got smashed out of a ruck like a haven't seen from him. (Looked like Irish 5 came around the ruck to do it ...) Weak tackle effort from S Barrett too. Even when we were giving away penalties (twice in 22) we couldn't slow their ball down. Two loose forwards (Papalii and Cane) stuck in that last ruck, and we didn't slow it at all! Way too easy.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
For the first try, poor defence from: Tu'ungufasi, Cane, and Tupaea. Our whole line speed and structure on defence poor. Retallick got smashed out of a ruck like a haven't seen from him. (Looked like Irish 5 came around the ruck to do it ...) Weak tackle effort from S Barrett too.
Add some diagrams to that bro - that should be a card for the filthy in the side Irishman.
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@Steve said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Not sure about their attacking lines though...lazy runners and shepherding/obstruction all over the place. Sexton is passing the ball to players behind a wall of green shirts.
Yep, think back to 2002 I think on our NH tour, was all about our illegal dummy runners, right now Ireland are doing something similar.
Thing is, doing it just far enough ahead of the ball carriers it won't get called.
Similarly us getting pinged for taking the man beyond the ruck...shit, its about time we started this cos other teams been doing it and getting away with it.
We don't have anyone with McCaws smarts to read the ref, adjust and lead the play for it, instead our play reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa proves a Hamster is smarter than Bart with electricity.
Gotta say last night, Canes leadership was shit...we had points on offer, down players, down points so we go for the corner.
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What is the mechanism for sacking an All Black coach, anyway? Asking for a friend.
I presume the provinces could still hold a special general meeting and demand the Board sack him? You'd kind of think that some of the sentiments expressed on here would be moving in those circles. Last night was a bit of a shit show and there's been a few of those, now.
However, keep some powder dry, gentlemen (and ladies). I think there's a few more furlongs to run before the unwanted Foster-child is returned from whence he came.
Great post @MrDenmore
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Steve said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Not sure about their attacking lines though...lazy runners and shepherding/obstruction all over the place. Sexton is passing the ball to players behind a wall of green shirts.
Yep, think back to 2002 I think on our NH tour, was all about our illegal dummy runners, right now Ireland are doing something similar.
Thing is, doing it just far enough ahead of the ball carriers it won't get called.
Similarly us getting pinged for taking the man beyond the ruck...shit, its about time we started this cos other teams been doing it and getting away with it.
We don't have anyone with McCaws smarts to read the ref, adjust and lead then play for it, instead our play reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where Lisa proves a Gerbil is smarter than Bart with electricity
There was one break where Ioane caught the attacker eventually but the Irish had two players in front of the ball which clearly impeded the inside defenders. I just assumed it would get called back but it was play on.
Also, we may as well start throwing the ball straight to our jumpers too.
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Cane and Papalii (played out of position, and no surprise that was a failure) would probably be more prominent if they didn't have to hit as many rucks. We seem to commit a lot of players, yet get slow ball.
Problem with Retallick now is that for every good play he makes, he gets dominated physically in the next.
Bower's recycling from his carries was better. A quick recycle is better than a slow half metre post contact.
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@Tim I wasnt so concerned with that loose trio initially, problem was it became a duo, and when you have Retallick and Taylor shadows of thier former selves, Ofa on one of his off nights (seems to have them every other game...) and we had half a forward pack trying to get through the work....
The fact we didnt lose by 40 is a testament to something with all the field position and ball Ireland had...not sure what it is testament too yet though haha
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One thing that was somewhat innovative, was all those attacking penalties close to the line that we were tapping rather than setting a scrum for.
Not sure whether that was symptomatic that we knew our 7 man scrum was a busted flush, but I don't recall many NZ teams taking that route even when they've got a man in the bin. They'll still set a scrum with 7 men or stick a back on the side.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
A lot of that negativity existed before the game. So the slightest scratch and it gushes like an artery that’s had a surgical blade through it.
No AB fan likes losing but certain we will be better next week. Whitelock, Jordan, Goodhue in and some young ones sitting the 3rd test out. Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
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@Chris-B copying the Irish from last week?
@Tim yeah IIRC he wasnt really looking at being a tackler and then the attacking angle changed and he was in the space the attacker was going, and bam...will be interesting to see what the judiciary make of it, if they ban him or turn the RC over.
Did they mention if he passed his HIA?
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@taniwharugby I stopped watching the replay after the red card!
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
From the wide shot it looked like Ta'avao was running across on cover, never expected the ball to come back towards him.
Agree - he accelerated as he realised the ball had been passed, but didn’t judge that the player was coming at him. Total collision. To mitigate that you need to be stationary and bent over. Almost impossible if the deception happens on the advantage line unless defence is completely passive. This was a wrong decision. Rules or interpretation needs to be changed. This is where league gets it right - they turn around interpretation issues really quickly. We have the IRB.
Much like who whomever came up with the rule around a drop kick to the defending team when you are held up over the line. Wtf? Why?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt
Players have just got to be more careful. I saw it and first thought was a definite red card.
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@kev said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
The Ta'avao card, as I said at half time, was the worst application of the head impact laws I have seen.
They actually put up the steps they go through up on the feed and I looked at Foul Play and thought oh well it will be a yellow at worst because no one on the planet thinks that's actually foul play. How wrong was I? Jaco obviously saw it as a flying headbutt.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test:
Will now subject myself to the thread ...
I said at half time I was looking forward to reading the thread, as my mates and I watching the game found the first half so surreal. But I had a look at the end of the match and I straight up couldn't handle the amount of negativity, and I was one of the key drivers of the Hammettuer thread.
I'm not as disappointed by this loss as others, it has a Cardiff 2007 feel to it for me with the first half surreal-ness and the hammering we took from Jaco's whistle (I'll need a rewatch to see if all were deserved etc) so that seems to have lightened the anger for me.
Maybe I'll get shittier as the week goes on? Maybe I'm just mature enough to handle losses (nope that didn't sound right even as I typed it).
A lot of that negativity existed before the game. So the slightest scratch and it gushes like an artery that’s had a surgical blade through it.
No AB fan likes losing but certain we will be better next week. Whitelock, Jordan, Goodhue in and some young ones sitting the 3rd test out. Like to see Mo’unga at 1st and BB at fullback - less mistakes, take your penalties…test match rugby where you respect your opponent.
I'd change the starting hooker, as well - whether it's Sami T. promoted or Coles coming in. Taylor simply hasn't shown great form for 12 months.
Not sure what we'll do at tighthead if Nepo's neck isn't right. Ofa was terrible, last night, Angus has to beat both a red card hearing and concussion protocols, and seemingly the next cab off the rank will be Tyrel Lomax.
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@Chris-B Ofa's pattern means he will play well next week....
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@taniwharugby "Me of little faith"!
