All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Something I noticed in the Māori game was the Irish were very reluctant to put too many bodies in the ruck, I'm assuming to get the D line full of bodies. They were also good at slowing down the ball at the base of the ruck.
I think the Māori did it once and is happening more in SR is instead of jackling is putting players into the ruck for a counter ruck. If we play tight and commit players to the ruck then the Irish will be forced to counter this which may open up space.
I think lots of countries have worked that out, we're obsessed with fast ball so they "give" it to use at the first or second ruck looking to isolate the 3rd and 4th phase ball, we think we're stretching them but theyre standing out there waiting for us
@bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
meanwhile the fern loses it lol
thats the best bit!
right now fozzie deliberately trying to troll the fern makes as much sense as anything else
I now suspect the guy recently banned was Foster, the ultimate pay back
Mods did say they traced the IP address or something...to NZR headquarters i wonder?
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@bayimports said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
look, picking SB at 6 works if the plan is to play tight and just bully the fuck out of Ireland at set piece and up front
If we pick 6 tight forwards and try and play wide-wide-wide (like a certain game in 2019) then i might be looking for a new TV by the Aussie game
I don't mind the plan, if the players can execute but it also relies on the forward pack to turn up and unfortunately it is mostly the same people that failed in 2019.
I almost wonder if this is Foster saying to Hansen, look your idea could work (and I havent had any successful ones)..bet I can do it ...meanwhile the fern loses it lol
I think it's more that the next generation of forwards probably aren't quite going to arrive in time for 2023. Which is a pity, because we've got most of the pieces to the puzzle in the backs.
e.g. by 2025, we could have Tamaiti Williams, Sami T. and Newell as a front row, which right now looks a pretty decent prospect - but, it's hard to see the props arriving in time for 2023.
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@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
Fat jokes never get old
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
Fat jokes never get old
no lightening up on the fat jokes then?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
Fat jokes never get old
no lightening up on the fat jokes then?
Only if he lightens up I guess
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
Fat jokes never get old
no lightening up on the fat jokes then?
Only if he lightens up I guess
that might be your finest moment
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
Fat jokes never get old
no lightening up on the fat jokes then?
Only if he lightens up I guess
that might be your finest moment
I don’t watch enough Super Rugby to make many serious contributions so if there’s an opportunity for a lame gag I have to take it.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Something I noticed in the Māori game was the Irish were very reluctant to put too many bodies in the ruck, I'm assuming to get the D line full of bodies. They were also good at slowing down the ball at the base of the ruck.
I think the Māori did it once and is happening more in SR is instead of jackling is putting players into the ruck for a counter ruck. If we play tight and commit players to the ruck then the Irish will be forced to counter this which may open up space.
Irish D tends to be all 14, on their feet, rushing hard, with only one sweeper. I didn't notice if they are still have one sweeper with the Maori, 50:22 was supposed to discourage that. Did anyone notice their sweeper set up on defence
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@Machpants IIRC there was a sweeper back, but on that 50:22 such was the quality of the kick he didnt get to it.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Machpants IIRC there was a sweeper back, but on that 50:22 such was the quality of the kick he didnt get to it.
Most teams have 2, but Irish have done it with just one often. So I'm interested if that is still the case. I'll try to see come Sat!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
My 2c on the issues:
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props: no comment. Think we have issues regardless
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hooker: I get the philosophy of ST coming on later, not saying that's what I'd pick, just I understand the apparent intent.
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6: I'm hoping the philosophy is to bolster our tight forwards. I like how SB has been carrying on the SR finals. I don't think it's a case of covering for the 7s, more making our tighties better. Again, wouldn't have done it but see potential merit.
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PGS: Odd for me. Given Akira is out I'd have gone Sotutu or Vaa'I. May be the token debutant in the squad. Debut for squad development sake.
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Ennor: if you're picking RTS in the squad, pick RTS in the squad. Saw argument that Jordie would cover 12 so Ennor was needed for something. Not a hater on Ennor, as is the norm for The Fern, but the obvious counter is if you have RTS on the bench perhaps he covers 12. There's plenty of versatility in the poof division, and it seems the numbers are fairly interchangeable as phases develop anyway.
Otherwise fine. Otherwise just dandy.
In terms of the outlook for Saturday your guess is as good as mine.
Otherwise just over the top.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kiwiwomble what else does he have to do this week?
He's off work, he got someone in to cover while he is isolating, only so much Netflix you can watch before trolling numpties on TSF takes over!
He probably should be reading coaching for dummies and rapid weight loss books.
Fat jokes never get old
That's coz they can't run away fast enough innit?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Victor-Meldrew it’s not as if this sort of thing hasn’t happened before though.
Flavell at 6, he’s no blindside, he’s a lock, but he’s got pace
What is Jerry Collins playing number 8? That’s not his position.
Mils on the wing? Mils at centre? Mils back at fullback?
Dagg on the wing? Dagg back at fullback?
Bender on the wing? Bender at centre? Bender at fullback? Bender back on the wing?
And you could go through a litany of props that were used under Mitchell, Henry, Hansen - where the response was either “what’s he done?” to “whatever happened to such and such, I thought he looked alright after his first shot off the bench”, never to see him much again.
Maybe our internet plans are better now and we can write more about it 😉
All good points.
But those moves were logical and explained but a lot of Foster's choices seem weird and mysterious. Perhaps Foster just isn't that good at explaining his thought processes to the media?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
as with everything, the "how" of any "setup" is far less important than the "why".
Why are we spread across the field? who or what are we trying to isolate? Phases without purpose are useless.
If we move back towards a 1-3-3-1 or a pattern with bigger bodies in the middle, we could be trying to be less about going wide and more about going through them? That seems the way to breakdown the rush, so wha pattern would fit to do that? A tight six could be the right set of people, but I wonder about how they plan to do that.
Start of the second half against France last year we seemed to do exactly that and it worked until someone dropped a ball or gave a dumb penalty.
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@Victor-Meldrew that really bugged me, we found something that worked, we were making huge meters....and then we went back to what hadn't been working before
