All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan Don't think that's right. In one of our few big plays in the game, Scott ran down the English wing!
He has good pace. For a lock.
Same reason I'm not convinced about Vaai at 6 either, much slower than Akira, Dalton, PGS, Cane, Savea, Blackadder, Grace (I could keep going).
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan Don't think that's right. In one of our few big plays in the game, Scott ran down the English wing!
He has good pace. For a lock.
Same reason I'm not convinced about Vaai at 6 either, much slower than Akira, Dalton, PGS, Cane, Savea, Blackadder, Grace (I could keep going).
Vai'i as a 6 was a stopgap and he did a pretty good job. I liked what I saw but more in potential rather than where he currently is. I'd imagine that he has room to up his speed work training wise.
His future is far more prescribed at lock though and unless he's presented with a clear plan to move position he should stay where he is. -
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Bones Read my post above on Vaa'i.
Scott Barrett is a rookie at 6 full stop. Vaai has been an AB for two years now isn't it? And has shown he's more than capable at test level, as Well as showing he's a better 6 than Barrett (at least at SR). We have different definitions of rookie...
Scott barrett would of played more at 6 than Vai'i wouldn't he? Vai'i (whom I a fan of) has only played there on 2-3 occasions. Barrett has played there a reasonable amount of times as he he has been used as cover for 6 at both ABs and Crusaders if my memory serves me right.
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Christ on a bike, I've just read back the last few pages of the thread and am forming a mental picture of a bunch of posters sitting in a padded cell banging their heads against the wall mumbling "Foster! fucking Foster! Fat Foster! wah Foster!"
I'm not for one minute saying that he is beyond debate or discussion but some of the stuff is deranged thinking based on complete lack of knowledge of what is happening in camp. A rough example got like this...
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"Akira has a foot injury"
"He's an idiot anyway"
Pause
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"..and he's fat"Any chance we can lift the level of commentary back up to the usual low Fern standards? These depths are PR like.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Vaa'i would be the quickest of all the AB locks but I don't see him as a long-term specialist no.6.
Me neither Bovidae, I see him as a very similat style lock to Itoje, not real big , but a all round player. I have said so on posts here early in year.
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My 2c on the issues:
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props: no comment. Think we have issues regardless
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hooker: I get the philosophy of ST coming on later, not saying that's what I'd pick, just I understand the apparent intent.
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6: I'm hoping the philosophy is to bolster our tight forwards. I like how SB has been carrying on the SR finals. I don't think it's a case of covering for the 7s, more making our tighties better. Again, wouldn't have done it but see potential merit.
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PGS: Odd for me. Given Akira is out I'd have gone Sotutu or Vaa'I. May be the token debutant in the squad. Debut for squad development sake.
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Ennor: if you're picking RTS in the squad, pick RTS in the squad. Saw argument that Jordie would cover 12 so Ennor was needed for something. Not a hater on Ennor, as is the norm for The Fern, but the obvious counter is if you have RTS on the bench perhaps he covers 12. There's plenty of versatility in the poof division, and it seems the numbers are fairly interchangeable as phases develop anyway.
Otherwise fine. Otherwise just dandy.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
This conversation is driving me fucking nuts.
We're playing a lock at 6 to hopefully make up for the fact that we are playing an impact 7 at 8.
At what point are the selectors going to man up and make a choice that it would be better for AB rugby to lose Ardie Savea, so that we could get some fucking balance?
Fuck him if he leaves because he has to play off the bench. We'd be better off.
So if Ardie is a 7 playing at 8, why is he picked in world VXs at 8, why does he look to be the first player named in any super team while playing at 8? He is a pretty capable 8, and because he can also play 7 doesn't stop him being a bloody good 8. Who has said he will bugger off if he is on bench, that is just making shit up and seemingly trying to make Ardie look like an arsehole.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Christ on a bike, I've just read back the last few pages of the thread and am forming a mental picture of a bunch of posters sitting in a padded cell banging their heads against the wall mumbling "Foster! fucking Foster! Fat Foster! wah Foster!"
I'm not for one minute saying that he is beyond debate or discussion but some of the stuff is deranged thinking based on complete lack of knowledge of what is happening in camp. A rough example got like this...
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"Akira has a foot injury"
"He's an idiot anyway"
Pause
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"..and he's fat"Any chance we can lift the level of commentary back up to the usual low Fern standards? These depths are PR like.
Last few pages?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Christ on a bike, I've just read back the last few pages of the thread and am forming a mental picture of a bunch of posters sitting in a padded cell banging their heads against the wall mumbling "Foster! fucking Foster! Fat Foster! wah Foster!"
I'm not for one minute saying that he is beyond debate or discussion but some of the stuff is deranged thinking based on complete lack of knowledge of what is happening in camp. A rough example got like this...
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"Akira has a foot injury"
"He's an idiot anyway"
Pause
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"..and he's fat"Any chance we can lift the level of commentary back up to the usual low Fern standards? These depths are PR like.
Last few pages?
I know. It's just that after a few months of reasonable discussion where people seemed to accept the obvious that the first team of the year would be best (and likely) to have as much experience in it as possible and the knowledge of disruption from covid we have a new pile on claiming that the selectors should have a whole bunch of untried players (while at the same time de-crying a very experienced SB because he isn't experienced in the position he has been selected in.
All this with zero idea of the gameplan. Barrett's speed matters nothing if we plan to drive up the guts and/or force Ireland to go wide to make metres
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
Christ on a bike, I've just read back the last few pages of the thread and am forming a mental picture of a bunch of posters sitting in a padded cell banging their heads against the wall mumbling "Foster! fucking Foster! Fat Foster! wah Foster!"
A man with Chiefs logo as his avatar isn't doing all of that?
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
My 2c on the issues:
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props: no comment. Think we have issues regardless
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hooker: I get the philosophy of ST coming on later, not saying that's what I'd pick, just I understand the apparent intent.
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6: I'm hoping the philosophy is to bolster our tight forwards. I like how SB has been carrying on the SR finals. I don't think it's a case of covering for the 7s, more making our tighties better. Again, wouldn't have done it but see potential merit.
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PGS: Odd for me. Given Akira is out I'd have gone Sotutu or Vaa'I. May be the token debutant in the squad. Debut for squad development sake.
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Ennor: if you're picking RTS in the squad, pick RTS in the squad. Saw argument that Jordie would cover 12 so Ennor was needed for something. Not a hater on Ennor, as is the norm for The Fern, but the obvious counter is if you have RTS on the bench perhaps he covers 12. There's plenty of versatility in the poof division, and it seems the numbers are fairly interchangeable as phases develop anyway.
Otherwise fine. Otherwise just dandy.
In terms of the outlook for Saturday your guess is as good as mine.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
All this with zero idea of the gameplan. Barrett's speed matters nothing if we plan to drive up the guts and/or force Ireland to go wide to make metres
I just hope it's better than the WC Semi plan vs England, all I'm saying.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"Akira has a foot injury"
"He's an idiot anyway"
Pause
"He's an idiot for not selecting Akira"
"..and he's fat"Lol this poster you're describing is a total IDIOT! I mean also completely fabricated and a total strawman, but an IDIOT nevertheless!
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
All this with zero idea of the gameplan. Barrett's speed matters nothing if we plan to drive up the guts and/or force Ireland to go wide to make metres
I just hope it's better than the WC Semi plan vs England, all I'm saying.
The worst part of the 2019 gameplan was picking three locks to attack the lineout and not attacking the lineout.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan Don't think that's right. In one of our few big plays in the game, Scott ran down the English wing!
He has good pace. For a lock.
Same reason I'm not convinced about Vaai at 6 either, much slower than Akira, Dalton, PGS, Cane, Savea, Blackadder, Grace (I could keep going).
Before I get tarred as promoting Scott as blindside - I don't want him there either. I think he should be a starting lock with Retallick and Whitelock sharing the minutes on the other side.
I don't want three 7s for our loose forward trio either.
But, in a choice between Scott and Vaa'i, I'm taking Scott and if we'd won the 2019 RWC Scott's running down Jonny May would be as famous as Kaino repelling Ioane. He had no right to have the speed to do that!!!
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
The worst part of the 2019 gameplan was picking three locks to attack the lineout and not attacking the lineout.
That's because they were too busy having brain-farts everywhere else except the lineout.
That game pissed me off more than the RWC2007 quarter-final - and I was at that match. Dear God, let's not have a repeat on Saturday, FFS.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
@Kirwan Don't think that's right. In one of our few big plays in the game, Scott ran down the English wing!
He has good pace. For a lock.
Same reason I'm not convinced about Vaai at 6 either, much slower than Akira, Dalton, PGS, Cane, Savea, Blackadder, Grace (I could keep going).
Before I get tarred as promoting Scott as blindside - I don't want him there either. I think he should be a starting lock with Retallick and Whitelock sharing the minutes on the other side.
I don't want three 7s for our loose forward trio either.
But, in a choice between Scott and Vaa'i, I'm taking Scott and if we'd won the 2019 RWC Scott's running down Jonny May would be as famous as Kaino repelling Ioane. He had no right to have the speed to do that!!!
He must have had a running start
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:
e have a new pile on claiming that the selectors should have a whole bunch of untried players (while at the same time de-crying a very experienced SB because he isn't experienced in the position he has been selected in.
A whole bunch of untried players? We're talking about 1 position in a forward pack where 6 of the other 7 are test veterans.
