Why do the Crusaders win?
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@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
You mean 2012-13 and 2015-16.
Highway rolex gifting robbery is how you explain what happened in 2014.
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@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
That's it, we had a better roster through that period and couldn't win.Along comes Razor and turns it all around.
This squad had 6 forwards under 21,Burke played quit a few games.
Mounga was out for 6 games.
Barrett was suspended for 3 weeks.
Whitelock was out for a while with injury and started the season 3 weeks late.
Lost Moody and Dunshea for the season early on.
Lost Blackadder at the tail end.
Strange out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
McAlister out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
Goodhue only came back half way through the season.With all that injury and disruption the coaching staff still keep them winning enough to get to the playoff and finish 2nd.
Razor plans ahead so far to stay one step ahead and has a good tactical brain.
A couple of people on here early in the season were posting it was the worst roster the Crusaders had for year's and they could not win with it.
they under estimated not just Razor but Jason Ryan,Andrew Goodman and Scott Hansen.Tahiti Ellison did an awesome job as defensive coach.
it is a well run Franchise with good coaching who pull together in the same direction,With a winning history that drives the next group coming in to add to the legacy. -
@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
A core group of elite players that needed to play super rugby but prioritised the rugby that came later in the year.
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@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
That's it, we had a better roster through that period and couldn't win.Along comes Razor and turns it all around.
This squad had 6 forwards under 21,Burke played quit a few games.
Mounga was out for 6 games.
Barrett was suspended for 3 weeks.
Whitelock was out for a while with injury and started the season 3 weeks late.
Lost Moody and Dunshea for the season early on.
Lost Blackadder at the tail end.
Strange out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
McAlister out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
Goodhue only came back half way through the season.With all that injury and disruption the coaching staff still keep them winning enough to get to the playoff and finish 2nd.
Razor plans ahead so far to stay one step ahead and has a good tactical brain.
A couple of people on here early in the season were posting it was the worst roster the Crusaders had for year's and they could not win with it.
they under estimated not just Razor but Jason Ryan,Andrew Goodman and Scott Hansen.Tahiti Ellison did an awesome job as defensive coach.
it is a well run Franchise with good coaching who pull together in the same direction,With a winning history that drives the next group coming in to add to the legacy.I'm interested to see whether these people were Crusaders supporters, because I don't remember anyone seriously suggesting that the Saders wouldn't be there at the pointy end of the season.
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@gt12 said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
That's it, we had a better roster through that period and couldn't win.Along comes Razor and turns it all around.
This squad had 6 forwards under 21,Burke played quit a few games.
Mounga was out for 6 games.
Barrett was suspended for 3 weeks.
Whitelock was out for a while with injury and started the season 3 weeks late.
Lost Moody and Dunshea for the season early on.
Lost Blackadder at the tail end.
Strange out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
McAlister out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
Goodhue only came back half way through the season.With all that injury and disruption the coaching staff still keep them winning enough to get to the playoff and finish 2nd.
Razor plans ahead so far to stay one step ahead and has a good tactical brain.
A couple of people on here early in the season were posting it was the worst roster the Crusaders had for year's and they could not win with it.
they under estimated not just Razor but Jason Ryan,Andrew Goodman and Scott Hansen.Tahiti Ellison did an awesome job as defensive coach.
it is a well run Franchise with good coaching who pull together in the same direction,With a winning history that drives the next group coming in to add to the legacy.I'm interested to see whether these people were Crusaders supporters, because I don't remember anyone seriously suggesting that the Saders wouldn't be there at the pointy end of the season.
Kiwiexpat was one
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@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@gt12 said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
That's it, we had a better roster through that period and couldn't win.Along comes Razor and turns it all around.
This squad had 6 forwards under 21,Burke played quit a few games.
Mounga was out for 6 games.
Barrett was suspended for 3 weeks.
Whitelock was out for a while with injury and started the season 3 weeks late.
Lost Moody and Dunshea for the season early on.
Lost Blackadder at the tail end.
Strange out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
McAlister out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
Goodhue only came back half way through the season.With all that injury and disruption the coaching staff still keep them winning enough to get to the playoff and finish 2nd.
Razor plans ahead so far to stay one step ahead and has a good tactical brain.
A couple of people on here early in the season were posting it was the worst roster the Crusaders had for year's and they could not win with it.
they under estimated not just Razor but Jason Ryan,Andrew Goodman and Scott Hansen.Tahiti Ellison did an awesome job as defensive coach.
it is a well run Franchise with good coaching who pull together in the same direction,With a winning history that drives the next group coming in to add to the legacy.I'm interested to see whether these people were Crusaders supporters, because I don't remember anyone seriously suggesting that the Saders wouldn't be there at the pointy end of the season.
Kiwiexpat was one
That was narrative
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@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@gt12 said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
That's it, we had a better roster through that period and couldn't win.Along comes Razor and turns it all around.
This squad had 6 forwards under 21,Burke played quit a few games.
Mounga was out for 6 games.
Barrett was suspended for 3 weeks.
Whitelock was out for a while with injury and started the season 3 weeks late.
Lost Moody and Dunshea for the season early on.
Lost Blackadder at the tail end.
Strange out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
McAlister out for 6 weeks with a calf injury.
Goodhue only came back half way through the season.With all that injury and disruption the coaching staff still keep them winning enough to get to the playoff and finish 2nd.
Razor plans ahead so far to stay one step ahead and has a good tactical brain.
A couple of people on here early in the season were posting it was the worst roster the Crusaders had for year's and they could not win with it.
they under estimated not just Razor but Jason Ryan,Andrew Goodman and Scott Hansen.Tahiti Ellison did an awesome job as defensive coach.
it is a well run Franchise with good coaching who pull together in the same direction,With a winning history that drives the next group coming in to add to the legacy.I'm interested to see whether these people were Crusaders supporters, because I don't remember anyone seriously suggesting that the Saders wouldn't be there at the pointy end of the season.
Kiwiexpat was one
See above.
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@mariner4life said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
narrative
Yes it got to be a boring non factual story.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Bones said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
Because Foster is fat.
And Hansen is too.
So you have to be Fat to be the AB coach now.
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@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Bones said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
Because Foster is fat.
And Hansen is too.
So you have to be Fat to be the AB coach now.
No.
They are just a couple of reasons bandied around as to why Razor is a ‘great’ coach….apparently
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@ACT-Crusader said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Chris said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@Bones said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
Because Foster is fat.
And Hansen is too.
So you have to be Fat to be the AB coach now.
No.
They are just a couple of reasons bandied around as to why Razor is a ‘great’ coach….apparently
I don’t see why Foster being Fat makes Razor a great coach in some peoples minds.
I will have to delve into this further.
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I personally think it has been mentioned earlier, they focus on the process of making the final, but they also have the confidence and accuracy to continue to trust their processes in those big games, where others tend to bottle it or run out of steam.
I know there is more to it, but good teams like this just execute so well under pressure and then feed off their opponents mistakes and they are certainly an excellent exponent of this.
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@Toddy said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@nzzp said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@kiwiinmelb said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I understand all the self belief , winning culture and all that stuff which is real ,
But I also think when the big games come around , year after year more often that not , they have the fewer weak links in their lineup ,
So how do you explain 2012-2016?
A core group of elite players that needed to play super rugby but prioritised the rugby that came later in the year.
Why though the coach couldn’t inspire them to play well for the Crusaders.
It seems the ABs under Razor don’t have any trouble getting motivated to win titles it has happened for 6 years in a row. -
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@MajorRage said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
Excellent idea for a thread. What do the Crusaders do that others simply cannot replicate?
I think it's brains myself. I think they are logical in their recruiting to ensure they always have a high level of smart players in their core group.
This. One of the most important attributes for a good rugby player - any sportsperson really - is the ability consistently to make good decisions. The Crusaders currently have more players with this attribute than any other Super Rugby franchise. The clarity around their game plan and their individual roles within it further makes it easy for all of their players to consistently make good decisions.
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@junior said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
@mariner4life said in Why do the Crusaders win?:
I have long been of the opinion that the lineout is the most important set piece. If you can dominate that area, you go a long way to winning games, because the territory battle is yours. Doubly so in shit weather.
Way too much emphasis is put on the scrum relatively speaking. You have way more lineouts in any given footy match and each lineout is much more of a 50/50 contest. Having a properly functioning lineout was key to our success between 2010 and 2016.
And it’s interesting that during that era we had Brad Thorn who many thought was an undersized lock. But he was surprisingly athletic and mobile given his league background, but more importantly we had superb lifters. Add Whitelock and Kaino and Read and it was a world class lineup of lineout options. Even McCaw would feature in there.
