Best of all time?
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You're right. For some reason I thought England were really successful between 72-75, but their 5N's record was actually shite. Great results on tour though
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@Catogrande said in Best of all time?:
@KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader Larkham > Merhts.
I tend to agree with you - I know which one I would pay the most to see play. However Merhtens suited the All Blacks way of playing (at that time) much more so than Larkham would have, and of course vice-versa. In a similar way that Andrew suited England's way of playing in the 90's much more than Barnes, though most would say Barnes was the better player.
I can never forgive the great Bill McLaren for naming Rob Andrew as his all time greatest 10.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Best of all time?:
@Catogrande said in Best of all time?:
@KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader Larkham > Merhts.
I tend to agree with you - I know which one I would pay the most to see play. However Merhtens suited the All Blacks way of playing (at that time) much more so than Larkham would have, and of course vice-versa. In a similar way that Andrew suited England's way of playing in the 90's much more than Barnes, though most would say Barnes was the better player.
I can never forgive the great Bill McLaren for naming Rob Andrew as his all time greatest 10.
Yeah that's a bit of a stretch. Andrew was actually a much better player than his England performances would suggest. The trouble with him though is that he is establishment through and through. He would happily play to a game plan that was negative, that was against many of our strengths and that was a world away of why he probably played rugby in the first place. That is why he got a shed load of caps and Stuart Barnes got a handful. It's probably also the reason that he got prestigious jobs within the RFU despite being singularly unsuitable for them.
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@Catogrande said in Best of all time?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Best of all time?:
@Catogrande said in Best of all time?:
@KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader Larkham > Merhts.
I tend to agree with you - I know which one I would pay the most to see play. However Merhtens suited the All Blacks way of playing (at that time) much more so than Larkham would have, and of course vice-versa. In a similar way that Andrew suited England's way of playing in the 90's much more than Barnes, though most would say Barnes was the better player.
I can never forgive the great Bill McLaren for naming Rob Andrew as his all time greatest 10.
Yeah that's a bit of a stretch. Andrew was actually a much better player than his England performances would suggest. The trouble with him though is that he is establishment through and through. He would happily play to a game plan that was negative, that was against many of our strengths and that was a world away of why he probably played rugby in the first place. That is why he got a shed load of caps and Stuart Barnes got a handful. It's probably also the reason that he got prestigious jobs within the RFU despite being singularly unsuitable for them.
I always rated Rory Underwood for the simple reason he scored bags of tries outside of Guscott & Andrew.... Jeez, he was a great finisher.
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S’funny but Rory rarely gets mentioned in the discussion about England’s greatest wingers, recency bias I guess, but he was a gun winger for sure.
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@Catogrande said in Best of all time?:
S’funny but Rory rarely gets mentioned in the discussion about England’s greatest wingers, recency bias I guess, but he was a gun winger for sure.
Really, I'd have thought he'd be the first wing on the team sheet? Or Alexander Oblensky.
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@Mackerzzzz said in Best of all time?:
@booboo said in Best of all time?:
PS I'm thinking picking Burger is the equivalent of picking Parisse ...
Dito previous coment. Have you actually watched him?
Was he a standout in the competitive club games? The sort of player everyone said his performances for the Bulls meant South Africa was missing out?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Best of all time?:
@taniwharugby said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader I'd swap Ralph for Berryman.
You would, Mr North Auckland…😉
Love Stormin, but Ralph’s Saders record was pretty phenomenal in terms of longevity and try scoring.
Will Jordan over Gear and it's not close. Sevu over Vuni as well.
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@Chris-B said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Best of all time?:
@taniwharugby said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader I'd swap Ralph for Berryman.
You would, Mr North Auckland…😉
Love Stormin, but Ralph’s Saders record was pretty phenomenal in terms of longevity and try scoring.
Will Jordan over Gear and it's not close. Sevu over Vuni as well.
Gear’s strike rate for us was right up there, 30 tries. Jordan is on the right trajectory to get past that but not quite there yet.
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@KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader Larkham > Merhts.
Yeah, nah. Lomu, Cullen and Tana didn’t score all those tries without Mertz running that cutter 😎
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@ACT-Crusader said in Best of all time?:
@Chris-B said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Best of all time?:
@taniwharugby said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader I'd swap Ralph for Berryman.
You would, Mr North Auckland…😉
Love Stormin, but Ralph’s Saders record was pretty phenomenal in terms of longevity and try scoring.
Will Jordan over Gear and it's not close. Sevu over Vuni as well.
Gear’s strike rate for us was right up there, 30 tries. Jordan is on the right trajectory to get past that but not quite there yet.
According to Wikipedia he's already past it. 35 tries from 43 appearances compared to Rico's 30 from 40.
Sevu just broke the overall Super record for fastest to 40 tries and is 43 from 53, so Will is on track to take that off him. By the end of this season would be nice.
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@Chris-B said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Best of all time?:
@Chris-B said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader said in Best of all time?:
@taniwharugby said in Best of all time?:
@ACT-Crusader I'd swap Ralph for Berryman.
You would, Mr North Auckland…😉
Love Stormin, but Ralph’s Saders record was pretty phenomenal in terms of longevity and try scoring.
Will Jordan over Gear and it's not close. Sevu over Vuni as well.
Gear’s strike rate for us was right up there, 30 tries. Jordan is on the right trajectory to get past that but not quite there yet.
According to Wikipedia he's already past it. 35 tries from 43 appearances compared to Rico's 30 from 40.
Sevu just broke the overall Super record for fastest to 40 tries and is 43 from 53, so Will is on track to take that off him. By the end of this season would be nice.
That amount of tries in a losing performance should be entertaining.
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lol, as a Chiefs guy this sort of chat is hilarious "oh, which multiple-title winning player should i leave out?" "which absolute international superstar can't get a gig?"
we are the heartland championship of Super Rugby. Our overall record is just so deeply average. Our "hall of fame" looks like a "Rugby Battlers" facebook page.
Sona Taumalolo
Hika Elliot
Ben Tameifuna
Keith Robinson
Jonno Gibbes
Wayne Ormond
Marty Holah
Liam Messam
Rhys Duggan
Stephen Donald
Sitiveni Sivivatu
Walter Little
Richard Kahui
Lelia Masaga
Todd MillerBench is too hard. Try picking props FFS? Would definitely have Luaki and Cruden on it though.
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@mariner4life What did Retallick and TKB do to you?
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@KiwiMurph said in Best of all time?:
@mariner4life What did Retallick and TKB do to you?
they left in their primes so fuck 'em
Yes i know Retallick was a sabbatical but that is arguably worse consider he then proceeded to come back and suck
i told you, these things are way more interesting when you go heart over head
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@mariner4life said in Best of all time?:
lol, as a Chiefs guy this sort of chat is hilarious "oh, which multiple-title winning player should i leave out?" "which absolute international superstar can't get a gig?"
we are the heartland championship of Super Rugby. Our overall record is just so deeply average. Our "hall of fame" looks like a "Rugby Battlers" facebook page.
Sona Taumalolo
Hika Elliot
Ben Tameifuna
Keith Robinson
Jonno Gibbes
Wayne Ormond
Marty Holah
Liam Messam
Rhys Duggan
Stephen Donald
Sitiveni Sivivatu
Walter Little
Richard Kahui
Lelia Masaga
Todd MillerBench is too hard. Try picking props FFS? Would definitely have Luaki and Cruden on it though.
Where in the good god fuck is Latimer?
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@gt12 said in Best of all time?:
@mariner4life said in Best of all time?:
lol, as a Chiefs guy this sort of chat is hilarious "oh, which multiple-title winning player should i leave out?" "which absolute international superstar can't get a gig?"
we are the heartland championship of Super Rugby. Our overall record is just so deeply average. Our "hall of fame" looks like a "Rugby Battlers" facebook page.
Sona Taumalolo
Hika Elliot
Ben Tameifuna
Keith Robinson
Jonno Gibbes
Wayne Ormond
Marty Holah
Liam Messam
Rhys Duggan
Stephen Donald
Sitiveni Sivivatu
Walter Little
Richard Kahui
Lelia Masaga
Todd MillerBench is too hard. Try picking props FFS? Would definitely have Luaki and Cruden on it though.
Where in the good god fuck is Latimer?
Lats is my fucking boy
but
Marty Holah is the Chiefs 7.
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@mariner4life said in Best of all time?:
@gt12 said in Best of all time?:
@mariner4life said in Best of all time?:
lol, as a Chiefs guy this sort of chat is hilarious "oh, which multiple-title winning player should i leave out?" "which absolute international superstar can't get a gig?"
we are the heartland championship of Super Rugby. Our overall record is just so deeply average. Our "hall of fame" looks like a "Rugby Battlers" facebook page.
Sona Taumalolo
Hika Elliot
Ben Tameifuna
Keith Robinson
Jonno Gibbes
Wayne Ormond
Marty Holah
Liam Messam
Rhys Duggan
Stephen Donald
Sitiveni Sivivatu
Walter Little
Richard Kahui
Lelia Masaga
Todd MillerBench is too hard. Try picking props FFS? Would definitely have Luaki and Cruden on it though.
Where in the good god fuck is Latimer?
Lats is my fucking boy
but
Marty Holah is the Chiefs 7.
Not even mentioned on the bench. I dunno what to say to that.
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@gt12 said in Best of all time?:
@mariner4life said in Best of all time?:
@gt12 said in Best of all time?:
@mariner4life said in Best of all time?:
lol, as a Chiefs guy this sort of chat is hilarious "oh, which multiple-title winning player should i leave out?" "which absolute international superstar can't get a gig?"
we are the heartland championship of Super Rugby. Our overall record is just so deeply average. Our "hall of fame" looks like a "Rugby Battlers" facebook page.
Sona Taumalolo
Hika Elliot
Ben Tameifuna
Keith Robinson
Jonno Gibbes
Wayne Ormond
Marty Holah
Liam Messam
Rhys Duggan
Stephen Donald
Sitiveni Sivivatu
Walter Little
Richard Kahui
Lelia Masaga
Todd MillerBench is too hard. Try picking props FFS? Would definitely have Luaki and Cruden on it though.
Where in the good god fuck is Latimer?
Lats is my fucking boy
but
Marty Holah is the Chiefs 7.
Not even mentioned on the bench. I dunno what to say to that.
what bench? and even i am not crazy enough to have a bench with zero lock cover so i can put another 7 on the bench.
Also i assume we're playing the Crusaders so Lauaki has to play.
