QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes
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@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
BB used to have terrible clearing distance. He would rarely get past the 22 from goal line kicks. Mind you he also used to be a turnstile on defence as well.
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
Agree, he has all the other skill sets needed at Ist-five - yeah, very important for a 10 to have a long punt, a skill he needs to work very hard on, I did notice once in that Brumbies match he did get good distance downfield from one of his punts... like anything the more you practice something the better you become at executing it well, so reckon he can make big improvements in that part of his game.
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@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Well as a Canes'man you should know he's signed for next year. I not sure how good or bad he is,
It's definitely not a good thing, he's like Hammett, a really poor head coach... Holland has no clue what our best 15 is, doesn't read the game well from the stand, doesn't know when to replace a player when they're playing poorly or when to use players off the bench at the right times etc.
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
You have just easily beaten one NZ side though.
The worst one, sure.
It’s just a fact that any games against NZ sides are harder than Aussie sides. Beating three kiwi teams to win a title is harder than two plus an Aussie side.
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@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
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@Kirwan said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
You have just easily beaten one NZ side though.
The worst one, sure.
It’s just a fact that any games against NZ sides are harder than Aussie sides. Beating three kiwi teams to win a title is harder than two plus an Aussie side.
Will make sure you beat the Brumbies. The only hope to stop the Crusaders winning yet again is vs Blues in Auckland.
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
Some are poor. I always though BB was OK right from the start.
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Kirwan said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
You have just easily beaten one NZ side though.
The worst one, sure.
It’s just a fact that any games against NZ sides are harder than Aussie sides. Beating three kiwi teams to win a title is harder than two plus an Aussie side.
Will make sure you beat the Brumbies. The only hope to stop the Crusaders winning yet again is vs Blues in Auckland.
This weekend shows how important home advantage is, so we’ve prepared as best we can.
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@NZbloke said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Regarding the game. Morgans line clearances are poor. Reminds me of Gopperth. Its a key part of the game and something a 1st 5 needs to be strong at. He can't always rely on a Barrett to do it for him
Yeah, Morgan doesn't exit well with good distance with his punting, certainly a weakness in his game... which is why I prefer Love at 1st-five who gets a lot more distance with his clearing kicks.
Its a shame. Because otherwise for 21 he does well enough (he will never be a AB contender though)
But its a factor that I rate as a key for a 1st.
very important for a 10 to have a long punt,
Is it? Name me a 10 that has a long punt equal to a fullback/wing?
They should have a decent clearing kick but mostly they need accuracy (although BB seemingly doesn't)
Some are poor. I always though BB was OK right from the start.
He used to be terrible. Would barely make the 22
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@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Going overseas is different. But smart move by the Blues. They were in a position to go after a key award winning AB and they suceeded.
BB getting married and the missus wanting to live in Auckland meant they didn’t have to chase too hard.
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@Nevorian said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Going overseas is different. But smart move by the Blues. They were in a position to go after a key award winning AB and they suceeded.
BB getting married and the missus wanting to live in Auckland meant they didn’t have to chase too hard.
At one point wasn't DC living in Auckland and playing for the Saders? Where there's a will there's a way. I hope the Blues paid his wife well
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@canefan said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Nevorian said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Winger said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Going overseas is different. But smart move by the Blues. They were in a position to go after a key award winning AB and they suceeded.
BB getting married and the missus wanting to live in Auckland meant they didn’t have to chase too hard.
At one point wasn't DC living in Auckland and playing for the Saders? Where there's a will there's a way. I hope the Blues paid his wife well
They foolishly didn't pay Dan's gran, she told him no in no uncertain terms
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Holland is not a Super Rugby level head coach, it’s as simple as that. He got there by mistake.
I will be pissed off if he’s there next year. He doesn’t deserve to be head coach of this club.
Well as a Canes'man you should know he's signed for next year. I not sure how good or bad he is, I do know realistically even as a Canes'man I know we haven't got the cattle to go deeper into the comp than we have. Unfortunately doesn't matter how I look at it Canes are a team of reasonable super players, with the likes of JB, Ardie and sometimes TJP carrying the team, and we get an occasional flash of something from a few of the other players to excite us. It's what it is, we surely need to find some solid big tighties, so I will just keep supporting them and hope a few good young ones come through.
Will add I was quite comfortable with Brumbies win, they were clearly better team, I was disappointed we didn't get upset, but not overly upset, as it was a pretty fair result and where the both teams are .Don't be so logical. Nothing to do with the cattle at all. It's all the fault of the coaches. String them up off a crane over Lambton Quay and the Canes will win the comp. Simple.
Canes are in the same spot that Blues were. Searching for a 10 that can take them through a winning campaign.
Funny thing is that Blues found a good one in Perofeta but it has taken many years to get a return on that investment so meanwhile they snaffled BB from you.
Put BB back in that side with some decent locks and you would be still in the hunt.I thought the game management was pretty good when Jordie was on. He was basically running the show from 1st and 2nd receiver.
The problem was when he went off and they got stuck in their own half. And the Rayasi poor play
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Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
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@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground. -
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
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@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
I agree. @booboo asked the question.
Drop kicks are a legit way of kicking the ball. You don't have to be aiming at the posts
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@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
I agree. @booboo asked the question.
Drop kicks are a legit way of kicking the ball. You don't have to be aiming at the posts
I think the ruling is that you have to control the ball to be a drop kick.
Kinda like the Carlos knee kick, law makers have no sense of adventure
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@nzzp said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Dan54 said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
@booboo said in QF Brumbies vs Hurricanes:
Haven't read the thread, and am not suggesting one incident was a major factor, but am wondering if there's any clarity on whether you can drop kick in general play?
Of course you can. But if the ref doesn’t see it as an obvious drop kick then he’ll call it a drop instead.
No different to players that fumble the ball forward but kick it before it hits the ground.There was no way Ardie was drop kicking that ball , he dropped to foot for a punt and missed it got it on bounce , ref was absolutely bang on, even I a one eyed Canes man will say that.
I agree. @booboo asked the question.
Drop kicks are a legit way of kicking the ball. You don't have to be aiming at the posts
I think the ruling is that you have to control the ball to be a drop kick.
Kinda like the Carlos knee kick, law makers have no sense of adventure
The knee kick one was outside of the laws to start with (kick is described as from lower leg) but refs had no idea what to do to start with as no one ever tried it on before Carlos.
I reckon it should be legal and would give a good option against rush defences.
