Red Cards
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@Nepia the key for me, is that we have an even contest of 15 v 15 for as much of a match as possible, I dont want to see 15 v 13/14...even if it works in my teams favour.
Do rugby players get fined for cards, they do in NRL dont they?
Obviously in a comp like the NPC where some players earn $10k for thier season, so it needs to be relative.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Nepia the key for me, is that we have an even contest of 15 v 15 for as much of a match as possible, I dont want to see 15 v 13/14...even if it works in my teams favour.
Might work for your team this week, but then there's next week and the week after....
Brownlie and Meads were the only red carded All Blacks in 100+ years. Now you've got rule changes that result in three red cards in a weekend and yet some test rugby administrators are dumb enough not to have woken up that the nature of the game has been fundamentally changed.
The 20 minutes with 14 players and then replacement is obviously required.
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I think the best option is to go on report and the player is replaced instantly and not to return. That way it stays 15v15 and the offending teams reserves come on earlier. So, you don't have a yellow or red, simply any reported player is replaced.
To avoid the player purposely getting a yellow to save a game, some sort of minimum suspension and fine might make them think twice. You could also have some sort of point penalty such as 3 points for the opposing team if your player is put on report.
Clearly the current system is broken, and an entire rethink is required because it is currently ruining the rugby product.
Doesn't basketball have this sort of system with fouls, perhaps any cynical yellows are just an instant 3 points plus an attacking scrum or kick to touch. Two fouls or cynical play and you are replaced.
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@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
It's like when my wife tells me it's on sale, the retail price is irrelevant, it's what you end up paying that is important.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
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Also 4 weeks for Scott Barretts brain implosion seems a little short to me. That was one of the worst shoulder to heads I have seen in a long time.
Very, very lucky. Should have been six months for that.
FTFY
A few weeks off in the middle of the season to rest and recovery from any minor niggles while still getting paid isn't really a punishment.
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@Anonymous which is why I feel there should be an appropriate financial impact too...I mean many of these players are married right, imagine them having to tell the wife he got a $50k fine for being a dumb arse
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Kirwan it was 6...but got reduced to 4 cos.
Not much of a disincentive is it. For that sort of clear thuggery, no reductions should be made. He had so much time to pull out of that.
Was genuinely upsetting to watch Hodgman writhing on the ground after that.
Not disagreeing with you about Barrett pulling out, but on a side note I wish they would also replay these things in 'real time' so we can get a better feel as to how much time players actually have.
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@Crazy-Horse which is part of the problem, the ref and TMO are making decisions based on what they see, while under time pressure to get back to the game...sure they take thier time, but when you have the ref looking at it on a big screen while talking to a guy watching it on his computer/TV about it...
Leaving these kinds of decisions in the hands of the judiciary who are not constrained by time should be where they are heading.
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@Kirwan Agree. But it does show a history of outright dog acts getting too short a time on the sidelines.
I think both that one above and Scott's should have been a hard six weeks at least.
Perhaps a team losing a competition point for every two red cards would encorage better technique or less risk taking?
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@Kirwan Agree. But it does show a history of outright dog acts getting too short a time on the sidelines.
I think both that one above and Scott's should have been a hard six weeks at least.
Perhaps a team losing a competition point for every two red cards would encorage better technique or less risk taking?
Maybe they've already got it sorted behind the scenes? Barrett gets to be KTFO next year and carted off so he sees the error of his ways. Just like Hodgman
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How Aumua wasn’t red carded still baffles me, TMO reviewed it and said there was nothing in it even though Evans had a clear black eye
I suspect the TMO only looked at it quickly and you can see on first review that it appears to have hit the chest and not the head. Perhaps he reviewed before seeing the black eye. The on-field ref missed it and asked and the TMO who said it was fine. I think the TMO's are under instruction to speed up the game and not to stop the game. I think this one just slipped through due to the angle of the replay.
I agree that the guy had a black eye so should have been looked at again. You would have thought there was another angle available.
