Hurricanes vs Chiefs
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@nzbloke said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@winger said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@bones said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Watching this game I still don't get the hype from the canes around Love. He strikes me as probably as good as Trask at this stage.
I still wonder about Love. But who else have we got. The other options look a bit 2nd rate
Love definitely has the goods at 10.
Didn't you just agree two posts before that that he needs to grow into the job?
I wouldn't say he 'has the goods'. He has potential and might be the Canes best option from a scant bag of options but he has a long way to go.
He's a young bloke, but you can only improve by getting more game time, he clearly has all the skills as mentioned & certainly doesn't have a long way to go, you can see his composure improving in each game he plays, the bloke needs to be consistently playing at 10 though, not getting stuffed around by that pillock Holland.
That's a bit different to 'he has the goods'
Look, I don't disagree that he has potential. I have said as such for a long time and was baffled at the start of last year when Holland declared him as a wing/fullback (until needs forced his hand). I also agree that he is probably the Canes best current option.
Where I disagree is that he doesn't have a long way to go. He does need time at 10 invested in him. I can't see him maturing into say, AB level discussions for a number of seasons. He's a young guy and with the way players are fast tracked these days he has missed a lot of experience at lower levels.Meant he has the goods to be a very good 10 - for Holland to say he was going to be a wing/fullback was ridiculous... he doesn't have that far to go in terms of Super level though, he needs to start at 10 for the rest of the season, that clown Holland doesn't seem to realize a player plays at his best in a position when he consistently plays in that role.
The kid joined from school where he played his last year, successfully, as a fullback. That's the basis he was selected on originally and maybe what they wanted (a backup for Jordie).
So I can see why he was being looked at as a 15 but as he had also been a very good 10 at school level until his last year there was an opportunity to develop him in the squad as a 10 as well.
If I was a Canes fan I'd rather see Roigard at 10 than JGB but I dont really care results wise.
My only concern is development for higher honours and I'd like to see Love given a chance to be an option in a few years time.Thanks for the info about him playing at 15 and 10.
Yeah, it's about the development of players coming through, & how well they can handle the real pressure situations... would be good if Love was in the mix for the black jersey a few years down the track.
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@crucial agree with everything you said. I realize the AB coaches can not dictate to the franchises. Perhaps that a good thing too because Foster is in charge but PUJ getting pushed out seems a waste to me and frustrating as you suggest. Nonu had to develop his skills but at least he was allowed to in one position. Our players seem to have to play multiple positions and sometime without specializing. Perhaps the modern game but . .
Maybe we can hire Nonu to groom the next 2nd five with certain criteria.
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@broughie said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Maybe we can hire Nonu to groom the next 2nd five with certain criteria.
I hope he gets into coaching. Wayne Smith said he has a very good rugby brain and he also knows what it takes to work on skills to master them. I think he'd be an excellent addition to any team.
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Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
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@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders. -
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
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@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
I'm just going by coaches comments before this started and it was clear that they were planning on building toward the back half. Given the format of the comp and the expansion teams they had a lot of wriggle room.
Apart from that it has been very rare to see two teams at close to full strength against each other. -
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
I'm just going by coaches comments before this started and it was clear that they were planning on building toward the back half. Given the format of the comp and the expansion teams they had a lot of wriggle room.
Apart from that it has been very rare to see two teams at close to full strength against each other.That's all nice and irrelevant to me.
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@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
I'm just going by coaches comments before this started and it was clear that they were planning on building toward the back half. Given the format of the comp and the expansion teams they had a lot of wriggle room.
Apart from that it has been very rare to see two teams at close to full strength against each other.That's all nice and irrelevant to me.
Fine. Uninformed comment is what the fern is all about
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
I'm just going by coaches comments before this started and it was clear that they were planning on building toward the back half. Given the format of the comp and the expansion teams they had a lot of wriggle room.
Apart from that it has been very rare to see two teams at close to full strength against each other.That's all nice and irrelevant to me.
Fine. Uninformed comment is what the fern is all about
Except for what we actually can see
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@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
I'm just going by coaches comments before this started and it was clear that they were planning on building toward the back half. Given the format of the comp and the expansion teams they had a lot of wriggle room.
Apart from that it has been very rare to see two teams at close to full strength against each other.That's all nice and irrelevant to me.
Fine. Uninformed comment is what the fern is all about
Except for what we actually can see
So far I have seen
Squads decimated by Covid
Makeshift games against a sometimes makeshift Moana Pasifika
Unsettled starting teams with widly varying outcomes
Players from club rugby filling gaps.
Managed returns of ABs
7 of 15 rounds
No games between NZ and Oz sidesI'm happy to hold fire on predictions.
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@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@crucial said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
@hooroo said in Hurricanes vs Chiefs:
Gee that Chase Tiatia try towards the end was a piece of beauty.
Just rewatched the game. Canes poke and Chiefs slightly better than poke.
Crusaders/Blues to easily top the NZ chances of winning this title. Prolly geared a bit more heavily towards a Breakdance after the final
Way too early to tell IMO. I don't think all teamsare firing on all cylinders yet. Saders will be there or thereabouts of course but Canes have time to turn a corner, Highlanders could go deeper than you'd think.
Chiefs have been very disrupted so far and if they can hit the back end of the comp at something close to full strength they are contenders.Based on what I have seen it's pretty easy to call this early.
I'm just going by coaches comments before this started and it was clear that they were planning on building toward the back half. Given the format of the comp and the expansion teams they had a lot of wriggle room.
Apart from that it has been very rare to see two teams at close to full strength against each other.That's all nice and irrelevant to me.
Fine. Uninformed comment is what the fern is all about
Except for what we actually can see
So far I have seen
Squads decimated by Covid
Makeshift games against a sometimes makeshift Moana Pasifika
Unsettled starting teams with widly varying outcomes
Players from club rugby filling gaps.
Managed returns of ABs
7 of 15 rounds
No games between NZ and Oz sidesI'm happy to hold fire on predictions.
I'm happy not to be a little puss and make a bold prediction based on how the teams have performed despite all that.
As above. Blues and Crusaders, prolly Crusaders with Canes and Highlanders looking to be complete choppers.
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