France v England
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@majorrage said in France v England:
Smith kicking game was atrocious. Think England lost every dual.
Knives out for Eddie big time over here.
If I were the RFU, I'd dump Eddie and sign Razor.
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@majorrage said in France v England:
@billy-tell said in France v England:
Would have given motm to one of the French back row.
Agree. Dupont is awesome and played brilliantly but he gets watched so much everything he does is noticed and mentioned.
Best Rugby players I ever saw:
Richie McCaw, Michael Jones, Dan Carter, John Eales, Jonah Lomu and Antonie Dupont.
He's that good. Fucking genius of a Half Back.
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@taniwharugby said in France v England:
for me it was the French defence, continuity and cohesion between forwards and backs that makes them look slick along with that drive to get that extra yard with ball in hand, knowing your support players will be there on your shoulder.
England on the other hand, alot of thier play seemed ineffective and directionless, alot of aimless and poor kicks, in part due to the French defence, but think they lacked patience as well.
Thing is, they very rarely put numbers into a breakdown and if they do, there's one or two joining the ruck. Their short game is just so good - superb lines and passing, as well as high aggression ball in hand that they get such quick ball without piling in because the opposition have no time to get into the breakdown, then are caught halfway between defending and heading to the breakdown, creating more holes!
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@billy-tell said in France v England:
@old-samurai-jack said in France v England:
@billy-tell At this stage, NZ is nowhere near it. France, Ireland, and maybe SA. Next layer England, NZ, and Aussie.
Not if we play like last November. But we have the cattle and we have time. SA were crap in 2018 and RWC winners in 2019. Maybe adding Schmidt will help. After the pool game, we can't meet France again until a final.
It is going to need to be one hell of a turn around for us to be in the final in 18 months, let alone win it.
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@bones said in France v England:
@taniwharugby said in France v England:
for me it was the French defence, continuity and cohesion between forwards and backs that makes them look slick along with that drive to get that extra yard with ball in hand, knowing your support players will be there on your shoulder.
England on the other hand, alot of thier play seemed ineffective and directionless, alot of aimless and poor kicks, in part due to the French defence, but think they lacked patience as well.
Thing is, they very rarely put numbers into a breakdown and if they do, there's one or two joining the ruck. Their short game is just so good - superb lines and passing, as well as high aggression ball in hand that they get such quick ball without piling in because the opposition have no time to get into the breakdown, then are caught halfway between defending and heading to the breakdown, creating more holes!
In a nutshell. Many were drooling over Dupont’s late try - and he did take it well, but the real work had been done in the two or three phases leading up to his break that put him in that position. Mind you, Dupont was heavily involved in the build up too.
Some player.
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@unite said in France v England:
@billy-tell said in France v England:
@old-samurai-jack said in France v England:
@billy-tell At this stage, NZ is nowhere near it. France, Ireland, and maybe SA. Next layer England, NZ, and Aussie.
Not if we play like last November. But we have the cattle and we have time. SA were crap in 2018 and RWC winners in 2019. Maybe adding Schmidt will help. After the pool game, we can't meet France again until a final.
It is going to need to be one hell of a turn around for us to be in the final in 18 months, let alone win it.
So much pessimism. Sports full of examples of turnarounds in fortune.
Could easily go pear-shaped though: pool loss to France and out in the ¼ finals to the boks.
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@billy-tell said in France v England:
@unite said in France v England:
@billy-tell said in France v England:
@old-samurai-jack said in France v England:
@billy-tell At this stage, NZ is nowhere near it. France, Ireland, and maybe SA. Next layer England, NZ, and Aussie.
Not if we play like last November. But we have the cattle and we have time. SA were crap in 2018 and RWC winners in 2019. Maybe adding Schmidt will help. After the pool game, we can't meet France again until a final.
It is going to need to be one hell of a turn around for us to be in the final in 18 months, let alone win it.
So much pessimism. Sports full of examples of turnarounds in fortune.
Could easily go pear-shaped though: pool loss to France and out in the ¼ finals to the boks.
Both SA and France to beat us in a world cup for the first time? Nah
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@bones said in France v England:
@crucial so who are we picking to replace him? Rassie?
God no. Please no.
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@catogrande said in France v England:
@bones said in France v England:
@crucial so who are we picking to replace him? Rassie?
God no. Please no.
Maybe John Mitchell is available
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I think they actually mean it.
Remember that it's their heads on the line here too. They gave him 4 years to build a side for 2023.
They really don't have anyone knocking the door down.They aren't that bad a side. Much like us at the moment they are being judged against two other sides that are in a real sweet spot at the moment with players, rules and tactics all combining well.
He will still be there next year. If there is another shit 6N he'll throw some toys around and sack a few players and assistants though.
I think they will do Oz and the noise will quieten down for a while.
Eddie is best at planning how to beat one side. His only focus last time was beating us. The time before he had seen chinks in the SA armour that Japan could exploit.
In 2023 though he has to have a masterplan against Ireland and France, SA and NZ because they are all on the other side of the draw and he doesn't know who he will meet. -
@crucial said in France v England:
They aren't that bad a side. Much like us at the moment they are being judged against two other sides that are in a real sweet spot at the moment with players, rules and tactics all combining well.
I don't think they're that far away either. But they look like they're shifting gears in terms of game plan and lacking some crucial selections in terms of partnership. Losing Curry was a blow. Underhill looked underdone.
I like that Dombrandt guy. He should be their starting 8 IMHO.
Genge and Sinckler look like they've got massive attitude problems to me - just shut up and do the work.
Midfield lacks solidity and spark. Barely remember them getting the ball in any kind of set play unless it was hospital passes from hoppy skippy Smith, who also needs to work on a more rounded game for Test rugby.
England should play like England: bosh it up the park, piggyback penalties for field position, and take the 3 or score maul tries. Forget about the fancy club-level stuff that has a few imports involved.
Winning ugly is still winning.
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@nta said in France v England:
@crucial said in France v England:
They aren't that bad a side. Much like us at the moment they are being judged against two other sides that are in a real sweet spot at the moment with players, rules and tactics all combining well.
I don't think they're that far away either. But they look like they're shifting gears in terms of game plan and lacking some crucial selections in terms of partnership. Losing Curry was a blow. Underhill looked underdone.
I like that Dombrandt guy. He should be their starting 8 IMHO.
Genge and Sinckler look like they've got massive attitude problems to me - just shut up and do the work.
Midfield lacks solidity and spark. Barely remember them getting the ball in any kind of set play unless it was hospital passes from hoppy skippy Smith, who also needs to work on a more rounded game for Test rugby.
England should play like England: bosh it up the park, piggyback penalties for field position, and take the 3 or score maul tries. Forget about the fancy club-level stuff that has a few imports involved.
Winning ugly is still winning.
Thing about the midfield is that Eddie still lives in hope that Tuilagi can string more than two games together before another extended spell off.
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@bones said in France v England:
@catogrande said in France v England:
@bones said in France v England:
@crucial so who are we picking to replace him? Rassie?
God no. Please no.
Maybe John Mitchell is available
He usually is
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@catogrande said in France v England:
@bones said in France v England:
@catogrande said in France v England:
@bones said in France v England:
@crucial so who are we picking to replace him? Rassie?
God no. Please no.
Maybe John Mitchell is available
He usually is
Or he'll make himself available
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The damning thing for Eddie is I think England are playing less than the sum of their parts. That's on him.
Has he ever kept a job this long?
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@mariner4life said in France v England:
The damning thing for Eddie is I think England are playing less than the sum of their parts. That's on him.
Has he ever kept a job this long?
Yet Ian Foster is still in his job.
