Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022
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RTS certainly looked like he could bring something to the mix at higher levels BUT he needs more work on tackling players running just off his line. Not just the obvious last example but a few times I noticed Jules go around him enough to stop the hit and he would slip off.
The type of thing that international teams would take advantage of for gain line.What suited him is the Blues “bodies in motion” style of attack. There was almost always someone running a line off him and often he had options. The offloads wouldn’t have looked so good if there was no one there to hit.
It’s a style I would like to see the ABs take on but players need to be very dynamic in looking to go through tackles. That removes Havili and Bridge.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@kiwimurph allgood, I make those statements all the time.
To be fair, from memory he stopped the Blues from scoring in the first few minutes of the game which can now be seen as a big moment also.
Big players stand up in big moments and that’s what makes him so bloody good.
Defs should be playing 7. Iose should be starting 8 with Flanders at 6.
Agree with most of that except this continue call for Ardie to be 7, he was probably one of best 8s in world last year in test rugby, and though he bloody good 7, I think he has become a top flight 8.
I a real fan of Iose at 8, but believe he another who can play pretty well at 7, he very much an Ardie clone I think, very very hard to bring down, uses his leg drive to go through tackles. -
@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@machpants we all like Ardie. We just don’t think he is an AB 8. In the loose forward trio but not one of the main dogs carting it up like a traditional eight.
I wonder if you have not noticed Ardie carting ball up from scrums etc, it is his strength surely, I can't think of anyone in the country that does it better.
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@dan54 said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@broughie said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@machpants we all like Ardie. We just don’t think he is an AB 8. In the loose forward trio but not one of the main dogs carting it up like a traditional eight.
I wonder if you have not noticed Ardie carting ball up from scrums etc, it is his strength surely, I can't think of anyone in the country that does it better.
I agree and where does this concept that 8s should be big ball crashers come from anyway?
Ardie looks to have put on a little bulk IMO.
I can't see a better option in NZ at the moment TBF.
What we need is the right balance in the loosies and with Ardie at 8 we need a bruiser at 6.
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I thought J.Savea was absolute garbage up until the last 15 was always out of position on attack made minimal metres against RTS and Ioane tacking was average also though in fairness to him can’t get much front foot ball off JGB.
Sullivan and PUJ should be the midfield next week they complement each other well.
I must say as a Canes fan I believed they were did and buried they were really lacking at the like out(Surprise surprise) we got owned and at the rucks we really seemed to lack physicality.
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@taniwharugby ok my mistake. Point being that comments about players off the field are mostly just gossip. Someone with an easy going nature isn’t necessary a slacker. After a loss, the comments here turn to a player someone doesn’t like and incidental actions in general play are made out to be fatal weaknesses. Last night you had a wing come off his wing in defence when he didn’t need to, and RTS get pushed off with an arms tackle - and if you watched Warriors games you will know that this is an issue for him. Correct those things and the Blues win easily. The rest is just noise.
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@dan54 I’m talking more from a Canes perspective. I think the Canes benefit a lot more when he’s at 7 because it allows someone like Brayden Iose to do his thing aswell.
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@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 I’m talking more from a Canes perspective. I think the Canes benefit a lot more when he’s at 7 because it allows someone like Brayden Iose to do his thing aswell.
A Savea's the starting AB 8 so will likely want to stay there. Could Iose play 7. Same height and weight as Ardie
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@winger said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@canes4life said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
@dan54 I’m talking more from a Canes perspective. I think the Canes benefit a lot more when he’s at 7 because it allows someone like Brayden Iose to do his thing aswell.
A Savea's the starting AB 8 so will likely want to stay there. Could Iose play 7. Same height and weight as Ardie
At that height he would be a sure thing at either lock or blindside.
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@nzbloke said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
The real turning point was when the Canes incumbent players come off the bench & were all on the field - if that fool Holland had started them in the first place we wouldn't have struggled so much throughout most of the match... the Blues were always going to fade a bit towards the back end of the match through lack of match fitness.
It is quite possible that you answered the question of why "that fool Holland" didn't start the incumbent players in your final statement.
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That is the best game of rugby I have seen in a good while. Pure entertainment.
The ABs need more Polynesian in the back line. Watching that game you just know what was missing in 2021.
Canes should always start love he is better than GB
I never watch league but that a more than promising start by the new convert.
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@billy-tell select on ability not race. It’s like me saying a 10 should always be white cause their smarter.
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@billy-tell said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
That is the best game of rugby I have seen in a good while. Pure entertainment.
The ABs need more Polynesian in the back line. Watching that game you just know what was missing in 2021.
Canes should always start love he is better than GB
I never watch league but that a more than promising start by the new convert.
What they need is more 'dynamism'. Not just the backline either but across the board.
Guys that can play their role and not go wandering but also fight elbows and knees for every inch of ground.
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Just watched the first half and a couple of random thoughts
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I have said it before but there is something about Zarn Sullivan that reminds me of Carter. Maybe it's his economy of movement?
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The instance where RI failed to pass toTalea is why I still have concerns about him as AB 13. You can't afford to throw away chances like that. Sure, every player does the same from time to time. Hopefully it was a one off.
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@crazy-horse said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
The instance where RI failed to pass toTalea is why I still have concerns about him as AB 13. You can't afford to throw away chances like that. Sure, every player does the same from time to time. Hopefully it was a one off.
Rieko gets my Masaga Hungus award of the week, but as you note every player does this from time to time. But it gets laser focussed on when an Ioane does it. It got silly last year when posters were often bemoaning that he didn't pass to players in a worse position than him.
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@crazy-horse said in Blues vs Hurricanes 02/2022:
Just watched the first half and a couple of random thoughts
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I have said it before but there is something about Zarn Sullivan that reminds me of Carter. Maybe it's his economy of movement?
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The instance where RI failed to pass toTalea is why I still have concerns about him as AB 13. You can't afford to throw away chances like that. Sure, every player does the same from time to time. Hopefully it was a one off.
Rieko is not a natural 13. He may get better in time
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Ah yes, the annual Ardie Savea is amazing because he runs a lot.
A test #8 needs to want to hit rucks, and be effective when he does do it. A #8 also needs to be physical in the tackle.
Test rugby is not won by YouTube highlights.
Should be the first name on the bench. Should not start at 8 if playing a decent calibre pack (therefore can start against Australia).
