France v Ireland
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@antipodean said in France v Ireland:
The wrong call IMO. The only arm under the ball was the attacker's.
I don't agree. The Irish player puts his arms around the ball too. Gardner made the correct call in my opinion.
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@antipodean can you name a better official at the minute ..?
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Great game, real test match. France edge Ireland up front and so come away with the win. The game has evolved again and the big tighties have become really important in getting the teams over the gain line with the rush defenses being so tight.
ABs (and Aussie for that matter) won't win consistently against the top sides unless major strategy changes are made. -
@kiwimurph said in France v Ireland:
@antipodean said in France v Ireland:
The wrong call IMO. The only arm under the ball was the attacker's.
I don't agree. The Irish player puts his arms around the ball too. Gardner made the correct call in my opinion.
I didn't think the Irish defender actually got under the ball preventing its grounding as the base of the ball is free at the Frenchman's elbow. It's just the replays don't show it as the elbow is in the way and the cameraman was too inept to have the grass in shot.
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@steven-harris said in France v Ireland:
@antipodean can you name a better official at the minute ..?
Gardner is Barnes Lite. At least Barnes knows the laws. Ben O’Keeffe is a much better ref.
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@antipodean i have been in a privelidged position to have asked several All Bkacks that same question ..they all came back with Angus Gardner ..i rest my case , i think Barnes and Okeefe are good officials, you may have a case for Barnes as even i think hes very good , Okeefe is on the cusp of being a very good official, only time will tell.
If you really want to know what bad is ,Brendon Pickerall comes to mind..i would even have Jaco Peyper before Pickerall and thats saying something , to understand what your defintion of bad is , let me throw these names at you ..Stuart Berry (SA) Matt Carling ( Eng) Nick Berry (Aust) James Leckie (Australia) Mike Adamson (Scotland) clown who missed an obvious knock on by welsh centre tomkinson in game against Australia and theres our good friend from Jerome Garces from France who is like a lucky dip , you dont know what you are going to get..
Luke Pearce from England is one to watch moving forward..
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@steven-harris said in France v Ireland:
@antipodean i have been in a privelidged position to have asked several All Bkacks that same question ..they all came back with Angus Gardner ..i rest my case , i think Barnes and Okeefe are good officials, you may have a case for Barnes as even i think hes very good , Okeefe is on the cusp of being a very good official, only time will tell.
If you really want to know what bad is ,Brendon Pickerall comes to mind..i would even have Jaco Peyper before Pickerall and thats saying something , to understand what your defintion of bad is , let me throw these names at you ..Stuart Berry (SA) Matt Carling ( Eng) Nick Berry (Aust) James Leckie (Australia) Mike Adamson (Scotland) clown who missed an obvious knock on by welsh centre tomkinson in game against Australia and theres our good friend from Jerome Garces from France who is like a lucky dip , you dont know what you are going to get..
Luke Pearce from England is one to watch moving forward..I know what a bad ref is and one that doesn't know the laws fits that criteria.
At the end of the day , who you like as an official is subjective ..
So if it's subjective, why are you telling me some All Blacks allegedly agree with you?
edit - I'll give an example of what makes me despise his refereeing: 48th minute. Ireland attacking, ruck forms and France drive forward. Irish part of the ruck going backwards, including the tackled player. The tackled Irish player (Mack Hansen) is still holding onto the ball pushing it backwards towards his own tryline so the French can't win the ruck. Clear violation of the law right in front of his stupid face and he just lets it go.
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France are the clearly THE team in World Rugby at the moment.
Not sure they are too bothered about 6 Nations or even Le Grand Slam at the moment. It's all about putting together an indomitable squad for next year's home World Cup. Given the raw power and precision of their forwards and skill and vision of their backs, I struggle to see anyone stopping them at the moment.
Some team, this French outfit. C'est magnifique!
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@sparky a year can be a long time, particularly with the French and their variable play (ie totally random :D). Sometimes praise gets to people's heads -and they can start believing their press. But yeah, playing at home, they are going to be really really tough to beat. We will need to play significantly smarte rrugby than we did last year, and I can't see it with the current coaching setup. Fingers crossed that Schmidt really makes a difference to the way we play and think through games.
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@steven-harris interesting comment because it aligns with what I think of the refs. I can mostly follow Gardner and Barnes rulings and processes. Others less so.
