France v Ireland
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Firstly ,it was great to see the worlds best official Angus Gardiner in action , the way he managed the players in and around the breakdown was superb and also taking control of what looked like a nothing penalty and overturning it for some obstruction from Bundee Aki that was called by the AR.
On the game , always thought despite the Irish battling back to within a point , the French had the game in the bag..great breakdown work saw some superb counter rucking and fierce linespeed pressure on the Irish ball carriers saw handling errors ..
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@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
Jaminet with the winning try for France. 32-24 with kick to come. Three minutes to go.
No try. Ridiculous decision. French crowd not happy at all.
I'm not happy either, would be spitting if it was my team. FFS.
Totally the right call. Ref called held up in real time, TMO confirmed. Gardner was on song most of the match
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@steven-harris said in France v Ireland:
Firstly ,it was great to see the worlds best official Angus Gardiner in action
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@machpants said in France v Ireland:
@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
Jaminet with the winning try for France. 32-24 with kick to come. Three minutes to go.
No try. Ridiculous decision. French crowd not happy at all.
I'm not happy either, would be spitting if it was my team. FFS.
Totally the right call. Ref called held up in real time, TMO confirmed. Gardner was on song most of the match
I have only seen the highlights clip but Angus was possibly the only one with a decisive view. We needed a cam from behind at the right angle for that.
I don't think it was outrageous to call held up. The was a good chance that any evidence would be on the TMO replay.Although it is still possible that the ball touched the grass (some would say probable), there was no evidence.
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@cgrant said in France v Ireland:
The French forwards were impressive and won most of the collisions. They showed Foster what level of physicality is required to win a game against the top NH nations.
They were blowing out their arses in the last 20 min. Ireland with too many simple mistakes including, incredibly going for 3 points when 6 points down and 10 minutes to go.
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@profitius said in France v Ireland:
@cgrant said in France v Ireland:
The French forwards were impressive and won most of the collisions. They showed Foster what level of physicality is required to win a game against the top NH nations.
They were blowing out their arses in the last 20 min. Ireland with too many simple mistakes including, incredibly going for 3 points when 6 points down and 10 minutes to go.
Both sides were knackered, at least a good handful of the French had covid a couple of weeks ago too
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@machpants said in France v Ireland:
@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
Jaminet with the winning try for France. 32-24 with kick to come. Three minutes to go.
No try. Ridiculous decision. French crowd not happy at all.
I'm not happy either, would be spitting if it was my team. FFS.
Totally the right call. Ref called held up in real time, TMO confirmed. Gardner was on song most of the match
@machpants said in France v Ireland:
@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
Jaminet with the winning try for France. 32-24 with kick to come. Three minutes to go.
No try. Ridiculous decision. French crowd not happy at all.
I'm not happy either, would be spitting if it was my team. FFS.
Totally the right call. Ref called held up in real time, TMO confirmed. Gardner was on song most of the match
fair. I didn't have audio on - but if so, maybe the TMO is correct.
That said, I'd be gobsmacked if some part of that ball didn't touch some grass. Maul tries get awarded without sighting - what's different here? Still, Gardner made the call
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@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@machpants said in France v Ireland:
@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
Jaminet with the winning try for France. 32-24 with kick to come. Three minutes to go.
No try. Ridiculous decision. French crowd not happy at all.
I'm not happy either, would be spitting if it was my team. FFS.
Totally the right call. Ref called held up in real time, TMO confirmed. Gardner was on song most of the match
@machpants said in France v Ireland:
@nzzp said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
@sparky said in France v Ireland:
Jaminet with the winning try for France. 32-24 with kick to come. Three minutes to go.
No try. Ridiculous decision. French crowd not happy at all.
I'm not happy either, would be spitting if it was my team. FFS.
Totally the right call. Ref called held up in real time, TMO confirmed. Gardner was on song most of the match
fair. I didn't have audio on - but if so, maybe the TMO is correct.
That said, I'd be gobsmacked if some part of that ball didn't touch some grass. Maul tries get awarded without sighting - what's different here? Still, Gardner made the call
The wrong call IMO. The only arm under the ball was the attacker's. The TMO was then looking for irrefutable proof the ball itself touched the grass which wasn't conclusive. The call should've been try, possibly held up.
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@antipodean said in France v Ireland:
The wrong call IMO. The only arm under the ball was the attacker's.
I don't agree. The Irish player puts his arms around the ball too. Gardner made the correct call in my opinion.
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@antipodean can you name a better official at the minute ..?
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Great game, real test match. France edge Ireland up front and so come away with the win. The game has evolved again and the big tighties have become really important in getting the teams over the gain line with the rush defenses being so tight.
ABs (and Aussie for that matter) won't win consistently against the top sides unless major strategy changes are made. -
@kiwimurph said in France v Ireland:
@antipodean said in France v Ireland:
The wrong call IMO. The only arm under the ball was the attacker's.
I don't agree. The Irish player puts his arms around the ball too. Gardner made the correct call in my opinion.
I didn't think the Irish defender actually got under the ball preventing its grounding as the base of the ball is free at the Frenchman's elbow. It's just the replays don't show it as the elbow is in the way and the cameraman was too inept to have the grass in shot.
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@steven-harris said in France v Ireland:
@antipodean can you name a better official at the minute ..?
Gardner is Barnes Lite. At least Barnes knows the laws. Ben O’Keeffe is a much better ref.
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@antipodean i have been in a privelidged position to have asked several All Bkacks that same question ..they all came back with Angus Gardner ..i rest my case , i think Barnes and Okeefe are good officials, you may have a case for Barnes as even i think hes very good , Okeefe is on the cusp of being a very good official, only time will tell.
If you really want to know what bad is ,Brendon Pickerall comes to mind..i would even have Jaco Peyper before Pickerall and thats saying something , to understand what your defintion of bad is , let me throw these names at you ..Stuart Berry (SA) Matt Carling ( Eng) Nick Berry (Aust) James Leckie (Australia) Mike Adamson (Scotland) clown who missed an obvious knock on by welsh centre tomkinson in game against Australia and theres our good friend from Jerome Garces from France who is like a lucky dip , you dont know what you are going to get..
Luke Pearce from England is one to watch moving forward..
At the end of the day , who you like as an official is subjective .. -
@steven-harris said in France v Ireland:
@antipodean i have been in a privelidged position to have asked several All Bkacks that same question ..they all came back with Angus Gardner ..i rest my case , i think Barnes and Okeefe are good officials, you may have a case for Barnes as even i think hes very good , Okeefe is on the cusp of being a very good official, only time will tell.
If you really want to know what bad is ,Brendon Pickerall comes to mind..i would even have Jaco Peyper before Pickerall and thats saying something , to understand what your defintion of bad is , let me throw these names at you ..Stuart Berry (SA) Matt Carling ( Eng) Nick Berry (Aust) James Leckie (Australia) Mike Adamson (Scotland) clown who missed an obvious knock on by welsh centre tomkinson in game against Australia and theres our good friend from Jerome Garces from France who is like a lucky dip , you dont know what you are going to get..
Luke Pearce from England is one to watch moving forward..I know what a bad ref is and one that doesn't know the laws fits that criteria.
At the end of the day , who you like as an official is subjective ..
So if it's subjective, why are you telling me some All Blacks allegedly agree with you?
edit - I'll give an example of what makes me despise his refereeing: 48th minute. Ireland attacking, ruck forms and France drive forward. Irish part of the ruck going backwards, including the tackled player. The tackled Irish player (Mack Hansen) is still holding onto the ball pushing it backwards towards his own tryline so the French can't win the ruck. Clear violation of the law right in front of his stupid face and he just lets it go.
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France are the clearly THE team in World Rugby at the moment.
Not sure they are too bothered about 6 Nations or even Le Grand Slam at the moment. It's all about putting together an indomitable squad for next year's home World Cup. Given the raw power and precision of their forwards and skill and vision of their backs, I struggle to see anyone stopping them at the moment.
Some team, this French outfit. C'est magnifique!
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@sparky a year can be a long time, particularly with the French and their variable play (ie totally random :D). Sometimes praise gets to people's heads -and they can start believing their press. But yeah, playing at home, they are going to be really really tough to beat. We will need to play significantly smarte rrugby than we did last year, and I can't see it with the current coaching setup. Fingers crossed that Schmidt really makes a difference to the way we play and think through games.
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@steven-harris interesting comment because it aligns with what I think of the refs. I can mostly follow Gardner and Barnes rulings and processes. Others less so.
