All Blacks 2022
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 I read the article, but such was the red mist from the 'they don't play to win' comment that I may have slightly misinterpreted what Mr Smith was saying!
Iām going to choose to ignore this post and criticise you anyway. Itās the fern way
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 I read the article, but such was the red mist from the 'they don't play to win' comment that I may have slightly misinterpreted what Mr Smith was saying!
Iām going to choose to ignore this post and criticise you anyway. Itās the fern way
That's beautiful #soproudofyou
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@antipodean. Spot on Aaron Smith. Perhaps the stats from the Championship tries for and against might back him up. Opposition wants us to play the rugby and force us into errors. Not too many tries against us but our ability to maintain sustained attacks and score is minimal. Players are instinctively used to the 20 phases stuff Crusaders and Blues often do in Super rugby. Same with the kick into the corner and score from a driving maul philosophy. Works regularly at super level so becomes second instinct. Might answer why we are so poor on kick chase too...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.
In my head, but can you honestly say Bridgey was that much better than Nareki? nonetheless that's now long in the past, although if Otago make it to the quarters and Nareki makes a good go of it I would like to see him in the all blacks xv back three with Sullivan and Telea.
Bridge wasn't fully recovered from injury when selected for the ABs again and I take back nearly 5% of everything I ever said against him.
But it does raise the question as to what sort of coaching mastermind would select an injured winger who was never a standout in the first place.Wasn't he playing for the Crusaders when Foster selected him?
Or perhaps Foster was dumb enough to believe that, as Bridge was pretty good at Super level for the Crusaders, he'd make the grade at Test level?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 I read the article, but such was the red mist from the 'they don't play to win' comment that I may have slightly misinterpreted what Mr Smith was saying!
Iām going to choose to ignore this post and criticise you anyway. Itās the fern way
At least some people are coherent with their criticism, even if I'm so frothing with rage at what foster etc had allowed the ABs to come to, that I make no sense
Playing to win? Argentina didnāt do it by accident
Opinion - If Los Pumas did not play to win over the weekend, as one All Black has suggested, Ian Foster's men are in for a rude awakening in Hamilton, writes Jamie Wall.
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@game_film said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 Yup. Noticed the shift in tone this week from the lads. When they mention preparation what they mean is your opponents strategies and how to counter them. Irelandās midfield diamond, sexton round the back: No answer. Boks aerial attack: took a week. Pumas spread defence: barely any kicks into space. We all knew what was coming but they couldnāt prepare for it.
You misunderstand Fozzies cunning plan - if we try to counter an opponents strengths and focus on their weaknesses, they may alter how they play and it will all be for nothing. Instead, we should play with no real game plan as then opponents will be unable to identify our strengths and weaknesses.
Well other than the weakness of having no game plan but we can disguise that with a really high error count.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus Only in some people's heads.
In my head, but can you honestly say Bridgey was that much better than Nareki? nonetheless that's now long in the past, although if Otago make it to the quarters and Nareki makes a good go of it I would like to see him in the all blacks xv back three with Sullivan and Telea.
Bridge wasn't fully recovered from injury when selected for the ABs again and I take back nearly 5% of everything I ever said against him.
But it does raise the question as to what sort of coaching mastermind would select an injured winger who was never a standout in the first place.Wasn't he playing for the Crusaders when Foster selected him?
Or perhaps Foster was dumb enough to believe that, as Bridge was pretty good at Super level for the Crusaders, he'd make the grade at Test level?
He was returning from injury but not played that often, he seemed to be on the outer. He recently was interviewed and said he was underdone, not fully recovered.
I would have thought that would have been spotted by AB coaches.
Crusaders followers can fill you in on more specific details.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
He recently was interviewed and said he was underdone, not fully recovered.
Well, some people have said that players only say what they've been told to say, e.g. when speaking out in support of Foster, or to show loyalty to ensure they get picked. If that is the case and as Bridge had been dropped, you'd have to take what he said with a pinch of salt, wouldn't you?
And it was pretty clear he was not the same as last season and not a superstar this season.
Surely not!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
He recently was interviewed and said he was underdone, not fully recovered.
Well, some people have said that players only say what they've been told to say, e.g. when speaking out in support of Foster, or to show loyalty to ensure they get picked. If that is the case and as Bridge had been dropped, you'd have to take what he said with a pinch of salt, wouldn't you?
I don't see any clear logic in the above sentences.
Some people say X
Therefore Y.
Not much of a convincing argument.And it was pretty clear he was not the same as last season and not a superstar this season.
Surely not!He was dropped from the Crusaders. He wasn't performing at 100%. Even when he returned from injury and wasn't an automatic selection for the Crusaders he was picked for the ABs. This suggests the AB coaching team aren't fully checking their players and/or they have too much faith in their regulars.
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Oh, I was referring to the logic others use about players speaking out - not agreeing with it. I have no doubt Bridge means what he says. in the same way players like Ritchie & Sam Whitelock are sincere when speak so highly of Foster as a coach.
And I guess we'll never know what the Crusaders coaching staff told Foster and co. when they checked on Bridge's fitness.
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Can understand the players are finding this territory of public pressure uncomfortable, but some of the stuff coming out makes you scratch your head.
Ardies response to the loosies play
āIām not too sure,ā he responded. āDo you feel like we havenāt been dominating the last couple of games?
āI felt like the loosies have been fronting up, and weāre just trying to navigate the space of a new breed of players.
Ardie Savea fires back: 'Do you feel like we haven't been dominating?'
Ardie Savea has baulked at suggestions that the All Blacks loose forwards have been dominated by the opposition this year.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can understand the players are finding this territory of public pressure uncomfortable, but some of the stuff coming out makes you scratch your head.
Ardies response to the loosies play
āIām not too sure,ā he responded. āDo you feel like we havenāt been dominating the last couple of games?
āI felt like the loosies have been fronting up, and weāre just trying to navigate the space of a new breed of players.
Ardie Savea fires back: 'Do you feel like we haven't been dominating?'
Ardie Savea has baulked at suggestions that the All Blacks loose forwards have been dominated by the opposition this year.
Yeah, that made me wince. I wonder our breakdown turn overs for/against use this year? One easily checked metric ofa core loosies role
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can understand the players are finding this territory of public pressure uncomfortable, but some of the stuff coming out makes you scratch your head.
Ardies response to the loosies play
āIām not too sure,ā he responded. āDo you feel like we havenāt been dominating the last couple of games?
āI felt like the loosies have been fronting up, and weāre just trying to navigate the space of a new breed of players.
Ardie Savea fires back: 'Do you feel like we haven't been dominating?'
Ardie Savea has baulked at suggestions that the All Blacks loose forwards have been dominated by the opposition this year.
Do they not do film sessions?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Can understand the players are finding this territory of public pressure uncomfortable, but some of the stuff coming out makes you scratch your head.
Ardies response to the loosies play
āIām not too sure,ā he responded. āDo you feel like we havenāt been dominating the last couple of games?
āI felt like the loosies have been fronting up, and weāre just trying to navigate the space of a new breed of players.
Ardie Savea fires back: 'Do you feel like we haven't been dominating?'
Ardie Savea has baulked at suggestions that the All Blacks loose forwards have been dominated by the opposition this year.
Had no real problems with what he said. Just that no one asked why it's taking years to get a trio to gel...
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@Victor-Meldrew given they were totally dominated last week, I think he is deluded.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew given they were totally dominated last week, I think he is deluded.
Were they? For the whole match? Watch the first 45 minutes or so. We were regularly taking the ball forward and recycling.
Argentina were slowing down our recycle a bit illegally and getting away with it but you can't blame the loosies for that.It seems to me that a whole bunch of frustrated post match comments get cemented as fact and over-stated.
We aren't winning and it is frustrating and I totally get that patience ran out long ago but facts are flying out the window now.
At this level it is minor stuff that is killing us which then creates blowback pressure and we aren't dealing with that pressure well. There's no domination. If there was we must be doing outstandingly well in other aspects to stay in the game. -
@Crucial well I only watched the first 60, so maybe the final quarter we dominated them...Kremer had a field day, Matera was also very good.
You can argue about the illegality or whatever, but that is just another of the little battles they won, which is part of the domination thier loosies achieved.
if Ardie wants to believe that we dominated them, then we are going to continue to struggle
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial well I only watched the first 60, so maybe the final quarter we dominated them...Kremer had a field day, Matera was also very good.
You can argue about the illegality or whatever, but that is just another of the little battles they won, which is part of the domination thier loosies achieved.
if Ardie wants to believe that we dominated them, then we are going to continue to struggle
What is this 'field day' and 'domination' you speak of? If you are talking about a couple of highlight turnovers they happen all game, every game.
Were we losing the ball taking it into contact majority of the time? No.
Were we making ground? Yes.
Did we concede some turnovers? Yes (One was from very clever kicking and chasing as described earlier)Tackle rates were the same.
Biggest difference was the ruck count. We were running at them all the time and they were tackling. More rucks equals more perception that the opposition were stopping us which is correct.
Did we play smart. Absolutely not, but that had zero to do with the loosies or 'dominance' it was to do with continually running at the Argies which they were happy to soak up until the inevitable mistake or we chanced it and turned the ball over.
As I said, if you claim that our loosies were dominated at the breakdown then we must have been doing some amazing shit elsewhere to have the amount of possession we had and be close on the scoreboard.
There are claims being thrown about that just aren't supported by fact.What cracks me up even more is the amount of comment and criticism you are making then admit that you didn't even watch the whole game! And if anything we played really well (apart from not scoring enough) in the first 60. That lack of scoreboard result (some due to errors, some to decisions) is what did us in for the last 20 as we then played right into their hands and didn't use a kicking game or the close in runs and patterns that gained ground in the first half.
I'm happy to criticise the failures of the players and coaches but claims that aren't based in reality (loose forward dominance, flat backs etc) are just dumb sound bites and don't identify the real reasons we are losing.
