All Blacks 2022
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Arrr .......the old Silverfern linking myth. Don't know where that comes from. Watch any Crusaders game or the ABs game where Akira ran rampant against the Wobs on his side of the wing. Apart from the odd white line fever incident that maybe sticks in a few minds, one of his strengths as far as I can see.
I didn't think it was a tsf thing, thought it was just me that banged that drum. He's been much better this year but it was exasperating last year so hopefully he carries on this curve.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
ALB would be next if There was a injury or loss of form.
ALB is a world-class midfielder. I wouldn't drop him just to put Reiko, who's still pretty green at 13, together with a winger untested at international level .
Why not Reiko has been at centre most of last season.
Got to try new players sometime Leicester deserves a chance IMO.Because in Test footy against the likes of Ireland, you don't drop one of your best 4-5 players to give a slot to someone who might deserve a chance.
Stick Leciester in the 23 by all means to give him a run, but don't build the backline around a inexperienced winger.
I didn’t say build a backline around him just add him into the backline.
Anyway that’s what I would like to see.
Not likely go see ALB for maybe most of the season if the rumours are true about the same shoulder gone within 6 months. -
Victor Meldrewreplied to Chris on 10 Apr 2022, 11:45 last edited by Victor Meldrew 10 Apr 2022, 11:46
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I didn’t say build a backline around him just add him into the backline.
You're dropping a key player and re-arranging most of the backline to give him a chance. It's a bit like dropping Aaron Smith from the 23 as Perofeta deserves a chance and combines well with Christie.
Give new players a go by all means and re-jig the midfield, but only after key players like ALB has been subbed and the game isn't at a critical stage
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
I didn’t say build a backline around him just add him into the backline.
You're dropping a key player and re-arranging most of the backline to give him a chance. It's a bit like dropping Aaron Smith from the 23 as Perofeta deserves a chance and combines well with Christie.
Give new players a go by all means and re-jig the midfield, but only after key players like ALB has been subbed and the game isn't at a critical stage
I don't agree I would like to see that Backline out there.
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Nah. Always pick our best players. Leave experiments to the last 15-20 minutes or against smaller teams. Ask Henry Paul.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@yeahtheboys pretty sure he is a Blues supporter
Haha, what gave him away taniwha?
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Doesn't sound like Jordie will be shifting to 12 for the ABs anytime soon.
On the other hand it wasn't long ago that Fozzie was pretty dismissive of Rieko playing in the midfield so things can change.
The headline below is rather click-baity
while New Zealand head coach Ian Foster admits watching Barrett at inside centre again has made for interesting viewing, it has no impact on his plans for the All Blacks. “Has it piqued my interest? I’m always interested in what teams are doing. Jordie and I have spoken about it,” Foster told the New Zealand Herald. “If it’s the right thing for the team we understand that but it probably doesn’t change our plans too much. “He goal-kicked so well, his high-ball stuff is very good. He’s got a strong kicking game and they were things he was able to exhibit through the year. “Particularly when you get to the Northern Hemisphere style you have to have the ability to deal with that high ball and make sure you’ve got a strong kicking game in your back three. “He ticked those boxes. He wasn’t at his best against France but the rest of the tour I thought he was one of our success stories.”
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As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
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@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
Boo
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@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
When you look at the injuries we've had to Goodhue. Crotty & SBW, it makes you realise how lucky we were to have two players like Ma'a & Conrad who were not only world class for years on end, but stayed remarkably injury-free.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
When you look at the injuries we've had to Goodhue. Crotty & SBW, it makes you realise how lucky we were to have two players like Ma'a & Conrad who were not only world class for years on end, but stayed remarkably injury-free.
We sure were lucky they stayed virtually injury free.All that time playing together for the Canes made them one of the best combos we ever had.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Chris on 11 Apr 2022, 12:11 last edited by Victor Meldrew 11 Apr 2022, 12:12
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
When you look at the injuries we've had to Goodhue. Crotty & SBW, it makes you realise how lucky we were to have two players like Ma'a & Conrad who were not only world class for years on end, but stayed remarkably injury-free.
We sure were lucky they stayed virtually injury free.All that time playing together for the Canes made them one of the best combos we ever had.
It was the Yoga
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/9379534/Yoga-works-a-treat-for-powerhouse-Ma-a-Nonu
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
When you look at the injuries we've had to Goodhue. Crotty & SBW, it makes you realise how lucky we were to have two players like Ma'a & Conrad who were not only world class for years on end, but stayed remarkably injury-free.
Smith had some issues for a while there.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to gt12 on 11 Apr 2022, 14:52 last edited by Victor Meldrew 11 Apr 2022, 14:54
Smith had some issues for a while there.
A fair few injuries with the Canes, but apart from a broken hand he was pretty injury free AB-wise compared to what we've had since. That or my memory is buggered...
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@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
When you look at the injuries we've had to Goodhue. Crotty & SBW, it makes you realise how lucky we were to have two players like Ma'a & Conrad who were not only world class for years on end, but stayed remarkably injury-free.
We sure were lucky they stayed virtually injury free.All that time playing together for the Canes made them one of the best combos we ever had.
Seems midfield is where we seem to get a lot of players getting broken, so makes it hard to get combos doesn't it. I must admit I was keen to see if RTS and Reiko could strike up some kind of partnership that could go somewheer, but RTS lasts one game and I doubt whether he going to have enough time to do much now . We lost Goodhue and seemingly Goodhue/ALB was preferred midfield combo, now Goodhue coming right ALB gone. Are we going to have to end up with a midfield of last men standing??
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Are we going to have to end up with a midfield of last men standing??
What do you mean "end up with"? It's been the norm since 2016....
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith had some issues for a while there.
A fair few injuries with the Canes, but apart from a broken hand he was pretty injury free AB-wise compared to what we've had since. That or my memory is buggered...
Nah, he would have broken through as first choice far earlier if he hadn't broken his leg and had other injuries. From Wiki:
He made his All Blacks debut age 22, versus Italy in 2004, after a meteoric rise which saw him make his professional debut just a season earlier. In 2006, Smith won a place on the end of year tour to Europe, despite breaking his leg for the Hurricanes earlier that year. In 2007, Smith faced a number of setbacks, mostly involving injury. However, he eventually earned his way back into a starting position, and by 2008, was the first choice centre for the All Blacks.
He was missing from the team for the game that never happened (although so was Nonu), but luckily he got his injuries out the way at the time that Nonu came of age.
https://www.superxv.com/4139-conrad-smiths-injury-woes-continue/
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@chris said in All Blacks 2022:
As I mentioned before ALB out for a big chunk of the season 6 mths not back until October at least.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300563845/all-black-anton-lienertbrown-set-to-be-sidelined-for-six-months-after-surgery
When you look at the injuries we've had to Goodhue. Crotty & SBW, it makes you realise how lucky we were to have two players like Ma'a & Conrad who were not only world class for years on end, but stayed remarkably injury-free.
We sure were lucky they stayed virtually injury free.All that time playing together for the Canes made them one of the best combos we ever had.
Seems midfield is where we seem to get a lot of players getting broken, so makes it hard to get combos doesn't it. I must admit I was keen to see if RTS and Reiko could strike up some kind of partnership that could go somewheer, but RTS lasts one game and I doubt whether he going to have enough time to do much now . We lost Goodhue and seemingly Goodhue/ALB was preferred midfield combo, now Goodhue coming right ALB gone. Are we going to have to end up with a midfield of last men standing??
Long way to go in SR yet .You could be right last man standing is were we could be at by the time the international season comes around.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I was keen to see if RTS and Reiko could strike up some kind of partnership that could go somewheer, but RTS lasts one game and I doubt whether he going to have enough time to do much now
If RTS is fit when the squad is named I think he'll be in it
His skillset is different enough I think they'll want to have a close look. Even if that means carrying him as an extra player
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@duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
Even if that means carrying him as an extra player
Yeah I could see them bringing him in to train with the ABs but not naming him as part of the official ABs.
There are still 7 rounds + playoffs for players to show their stuff.
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@duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I was keen to see if RTS and Reiko could strike up some kind of partnership that could go somewheer, but RTS lasts one game and I doubt whether he going to have enough time to do much now
If RTS is fit when the squad is named I think he'll be in it
His skillset is different enough I think they'll want to have a close look. Even if that means carrying him as an extra player
Yep if he was named as a training member against Irish could see sense, although plenty would get pissed off, giving out jerseys etc. I really don't know much about him, as I don't watch any league at ll, so was interested to see how he went.
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In my opinion, RTS hasn't shown enough to suggest he should be picked, but he has the same hype around him as SBW, so that may be enough for him to get in. That would be pretty hars forh the player who might get dropped as a result, if they drop someone (most likely Tupaea). There's still time though and if RTS can stay in one piece, he will have the opportunity to claim a spot on the field instead of expectation/hype only.
If they're going to bring in training members, they could also bring in Fakatava, even if he's not eligible (yet).
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@stargazer SBW (and now RTS) have shown quality at the top level of their sports. That means the chance of them under-delivering on the big stage is significantly reduced; the mental game is proven.
RTS hasn't had enough time to make an impact, despite the commentators talking him up. It'd be a look in camp, followed by picking on potential or to develop if the coaches/selectors like what they see. I can understand it, but it'd suck if you were the fringe 12 who missed out.
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One silver lining with Tupaea is he should now see more consistent game time the rest of the season in ALB's absence.
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@kiwimurph have to think Reiko is now in the drivers seat for the AB 13 too, possibly opening the door for Leicester at 11.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@stargazer SBW (and now RTS) have shown quality at the top level of their sports. That means the chance of them under-delivering on the big stage is significantly reduced; the mental game is proven.
RTS hasn't had enough time to make an impact, despite the commentators talking him up. It'd be a look in camp, followed by picking on potential or to develop if the coaches/selectors like what they see. I can understand it, but it'd suck if you were the fringe 12 who missed out.
I'll be pissed if the don't pick him
It's what bold coaches do to develop the players required for the team. A proven high level athlete needs to be brought in to learn about test rugby, something you absolutely cannot do playing Super rugby.
The ABs stopped being a rep team 30 years ago, it is now an entity unto itself. People need to get past that.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
In my opinion, RTS hasn't shown enough to suggest he should be picked, but he has the same hype around him as SBW, so that may be enough for him to get in. That would be pretty hars forh the player who might get dropped as a result, if they drop someone (most likely Tupaea). There's still time though and if RTS can stay in one piece, he will have the opportunity to claim a spot on the field instead of expectation/hype only.
I suppose there a small chance Havili misses out if they pick RTS. Although he does have utility value at 15. It's just that he was a proven crumbler when the pressure really came on. I just don't want to see his running sideways jinky bullshit at 12 again.
The way I see it, Havili is nothing more than an honorary member of the Cantab' safe white boy club (despite not being white), with esteemed members such as George Bridge and Brayden Ennor,
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There certainly doesn't need to be as many players chosen for a home test series so some of the players used last year will be cut. Ennor adds nothing. Havili would be a useful squad member but wouldn't be in my 23. Losing ALB is a huge blow because he has the ability to play 12 or 13, which none of the other fit midfielders really do.
A Jordie-Rieko midfield combo against Ireland would pose a much different threat.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
A Jordie-Rieko midfield combo against Ireland would pose a much different threat.
I feel like the Irish would be very good at exploiting the defensive inexperience of the pair.
But it would be tasty to watch. A big 12 is a real asset.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
There certainly doesn't need to be as many players chosen for a home test series so some of the players used last year will be cut. Ennor adds nothing. Havili would be a useful squad member but wouldn't be in my 23. Losing ALB is a huge blow because he has the ability to play 12 or 13, which none of the other fit midfielders really do.
A Jordie-Rieko midfield combo against Ireland would pose a much different threat.
I assume that Goodhue will come back regardless of form as he’s the only one (apart from a PUJ or Nankivell) who is established and can play both.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Frank on 12 Apr 2022, 17:36 last edited by Victor Meldrew 12 Apr 2022, 17:37
@frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
In my opinion, RTS hasn't shown enough to suggest he should be picked, but he has the same hype around him as SBW, so that may be enough for him to get in. That would be pretty hars forh the player who might get dropped as a result, if they drop someone (most likely Tupaea). There's still time though and if RTS can stay in one piece, he will have the opportunity to claim a spot on the field instead of expectation/hype only.
I suppose there a small chance Havili misses out if they pick RTS. Although he does have utility value at 15. It's just that he was a proven crumbler when the pressure really came on. I just don't want to see his running sideways jinky bullshit at 12 again.
The way I see it, Havili is nothing more than an honorary member of the Cantab' safe white boy club (despite not being white), with esteemed members such as George Bridge and Brayden Ennor,
I think Foster will play safe, go for experience and have DH at 12 & Reiko at 13. It's a sensible approach on the assumption Havili has improved his game. I haven't seen enough of QT at 12, but that could be another option along with JG.
Would def. be good to see the likes of RTS training with the AB's
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
A Jordie-Rieko midfield combo against Ireland would pose a much different threat.
I feel like the Irish would be very good at exploiting the defensive inexperience of the pair.
But it would be tasty to watch. A big 12 is a real asset.
On the other hand, you'd hope experienced players like Reiko & Jordie would be confident and sensible enough able to have a serious conversation with the coaching staff that they were actually up to the roles.
Who knows? We might find a JB/RI combo works a treat. Who would move to 15? Havili or Jordan?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
There certainly doesn't need to be as many players chosen for a home test series so some of the players used last year will be cut. Ennor adds nothing. Havili would be a useful squad member but wouldn't be in my 23. Losing ALB is a huge blow because he has the ability to play 12 or 13, which none of the other fit midfielders really do.
A Jordie-Rieko midfield combo against Ireland would pose a much different threat.
I assume that Goodhue will come back regardless of form as he’s the only one (apart from a PUJ or Nankivell) who is established and can play both.
A much better 13 than 12 from what I've seen. His statment game against the Bokke was at 13 in Wellington.
Man, I miss Smith/Nonu
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
I assume that Goodhue will come back regardless of form as he’s the only one (apart from a PUJ or Nankivell) who is established and can play both.
I excluded Goodhue, hence "fit midfielders" caveat. Playing both 12 and 13 at international level is very different to playing there in SR, as you have much less time and space in the former. I didn't include Tupaea as a player who can play both for that reason either, as he is much more suited to 12.
One thing I will say is that if Foster and co stick with the status quo and use Havili at 2nd 5, nothing will change. We need a 12 that can bend the line to give the outside backs more space.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
One thing I will say is that if Foster and co stick with the status quo and use Havili at 2nd 5, nothing will change. We need a 12 that can bend the line to give the outside backs more space.
Havili started at 12 really well, but got badly exposed against better sides. Frankly, I can see his primary value in the squad as a utility, and even that's marginal. It's a pity; he played some good games early doors, but we seem intent on putting out small backlines at times.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
It's a sensible approach on the assumption Havili has improved his game.
Has he though?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
I assume that Goodhue will come back regardless of form as he’s the only one (apart from a PUJ or Nankivell) who is established and can play both.
I excluded Goodhue, hence "fit midfielders" caveat. Playing both 12 and 13 at international level is very different to playing there in SR, as you have much less time and space in the former. I didn't include Tupaea as a player who can play both for that reason either, as he is much more suited to 12.
One thing I will say is that if Foster and co stick with the status quo and use Havili at 2nd 5, nothing will change. We need a 12 that can bend the line to give the outside backs more space.
I agree and I’m not debating the merits, I’m predicting that he will definitely be there now that ALB is injured.
I would say that RTS, TUJ, and PUJ are fighting for the fourth spot with Ennor and (edit: Leicester - probably selected as a wing) as (IMO) Goodhue, Rieko, and Havili are likely already locked in.
I’d personally like the coaches to make some big calls but they’ve no history of it, so I cant see it happening now.
I honestly believe things will get worse before they get better. I think we are looking at at a 1998 season (probably not that bad as Oz isn’t that good).
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
There certainly doesn't need to be as many players chosen for a home test series so some of the players used last year will be cut. Ennor adds nothing. Havili would be a useful squad member but wouldn't be in my 23. Losing ALB is a huge blow because he has the ability to play 12 or 13, which none of the other fit midfielders really do.
A Jordie-Rieko midfield combo against Ireland would pose a much different threat.
I assume that Goodhue will come back regardless of form as he’s the only one (apart from a PUJ or Nankivell) who is established and can play both.
A much better 13 than 12 from what I've seen. His statment game against the Bokke was at 13 in Wellington.
Man, I miss Smith/Nonu
agree. Nothing more than servicable at 12. Our standard are dropping so low if we see "servicable" as "can"
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@victor-meldrew Jordan to 15 - he is the inevitable future there- maybe Jordi see's it that way and is keen to bed himself at 12 to secure himself a spot.
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