All Blacks 2022
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Personally, I think Barrett, Papali'i, Savea is our best combination for 2023. A.Ioane impact role 20.
Foster will start Cane & have Papali'i 20, leaving no space for Frizzell in the 23 (that's one positive).
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@kiwi_expat Barrett starting at 6 opens up another bench spot for a loosie.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants, he won't ditch Cane
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@Machpants i fear you're right
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants
The ones without a job?
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100% agree
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@Canes4life bit disingenuous to claim there's better players on other planets
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Cane is the past too but wouldn't be a surprise to see him back as well. Foster is loyal to a fault if nothing else.
Papali'i is head & shoulders better than Cane it's not funny. It's obvious to everyone but Ian Foster at this point.
I'm a big Cane fan, but you're right; Dalts is playing better. For the second NH tour in a row we are seeing he can make the step up against quality opposition.
Having Cane out with injury and Big Sam taking responsibility for the captaincy may make it easier for Foster to relegate Cane to the bench next year. We've already seen he was prepared to give Jordie another go at 12 after every man and his dog assured us he was too conservative to do that.
He didn't ditch his flaky assistants
The ones without a job?
He didn't ditch them, he was ordered to. Totally different things. So I'm sure, if it's his job or Cane, Cane will go. Until that point, he's inked in and captain
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
So I'm sure, if it's his job or Cane, Cane will go. Until that point, he's inked in and captain
Foster is conservative and loyal to his people (generally a good thing) but that seems to cloud his judgement. If he makes his mind up he can make the required changes but I can't see that happening either. If it does - not until next season.
He didn't ditch them, he was ordered to. Totally different things.
My understanding from what he's said in public was Mooar & Plumtree's replacement came from a drains-up with the players after the Ireland debacle and was driven by himself and the players. And he's also been clear he wanted Schmidt as an assistant from Day one and clearly Mooar was not his first choice.
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Well Fozzie gave Jordie a go at 12 when forced to via injury only to discover that everyone he'd been grooming for that position for the last 2-3 years was useless and Jordie was better...
This is also how the new starting front row was selected...
To give Fozzie credit he's at least humble enough to keep Jordie/de Groot etc. there afterwards but my goodness, the amount of time that has been wasted on players not up to the mark has been astounding.
I'm not overly sold on Jordie at 12 either, it's only been 2 good games, but BB at 15, Mounga at 10 and Jordie at 12 seems a more balanced combination.
And tbh the decline of BB from world player of the year to a bit part bench player due to getting the goal kicking yips has been sad to watch
Anyway - the big question remains - can the All Blacks pull together 2 good performances in a row!! The excitement and anticipation awaits!!
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@Windows97 BB's interesting though because it feels like a lot of his really outstanding games came off the bench to start with
really disappointed jordan is injured as this could have been the chance to see him at 15 and jordie at 12
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@Victor-Meldrew I believe they didnt receive great player feedback at the end of 2021 either, so writing was on the wall, the Irish test was the last nail and Foster was able to stay on despite that (given he got great player reviews apparently)...I imagine things wouldnt have been great if they had done well in player reviews as well...maybe that would have seen them all shit canned.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Windows97 BB's interesting though because it feels like a lot of his really outstanding games came off the bench to start with
really disappointed jordan is injured as this could have been the chance to see him at 15 and jordie at 12
BB was a goal kicking first 5 player of the year, then for some reason decided to stop kicking goals which then made him somewhat of a liability as a first 5 as you then needed to pick a goal kicking fullback (and Dmac and Jordie aren't as good at kicking goals as Mounga is).
Now Mounga is first 5 so BB is just floating about the place no-where. I'd like to see BB at fullback to play the duel pivot role but with this team who knows.
Agree re Jordan - the best attacking fullback in NZ, defense not super solid however, this could have been where he made his mark, but alas that opportunity has gone.
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These posts on SB at 6 not lock are interesting. To my eye he is best at lock, currently more dynamic there than Retallick so the question isn't so much Scott B vz XYZ at 6, but whether Retallick is better at lock with Scott B at 6, or Scott B at lock and XYZ at 6.
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@nostrildamus for some of us maybe...but fozzie has made it pretty clear he see SB as a serious option at 6, he has also shown a tendency to get the "best" players on the pitch at the same time and SB, SW, BBR are all "better" than SF or RI
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I really liked the way Scott Barrett and Dalton used their frame and limbs to straddle and isolate Welsh on the ground. I think I recall early in the game Scott Barrett tackled one, straddled another, then grabbed a 3rd, keeping all 3 pinned to the ground. Not sure how he did that!
This reminds me about Reece, he is a great worker, an extra loosie at the ruck, but when he is competing against big tough forwards in a forward battle type game this extra work effort is negated as he doesn't have the limbs or length to stretch or reach over the fallen and he doesn't have the ability to suddenly make things happen.
So he is All Black-level but in a forwards battle against a side like England or France I suspect he has slightly less impact.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus for some of us maybe...but fozzie has made it pretty clear he see SB as a serious option at 6, he has also shown a tendency to get the "best" players on the pitch at the same time and SB, SW, BBR are all "better" than SF or RI
Yes I won't argue on Foster's thinking, but is that what you think?
Also, and I could be wrong, but SB has had less cards and penalties at lock than at 6? (Hard to tell as he seems to be getting less lately).. -
@nostrildamus no, i agree with you, i would have SB as lock and rotating BBBR and SW depending on captaincy etc, they have nothing to prove
