All Blacks 2022
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew well hooker was one I was disappointed with, one of Coles or Taylor needed to drop to the AB XV and give someone a chance in the ABs, neither have shown much this last 12 months
Yeah, good point. You could argue perhaps it comes down to experience and handling pressure in big games. But then you remember Taylor's performance and handling pressure in big games
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Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024! -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024!This^
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No real surprises - or should I say bolters - in the squad, other than ALB and a luckier than lucky Ennor-subject to injury?
Would have been nice to see Levi Aumua, Telea for RTS and Ennor. and asafo Aumua for Taylor and Harmon, AJ Lam fitted in somewhere...sigh. But you can't have everything. Love to see the above who missed out plus George Bell named in the AB XV. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
I think his A team is pretty nailed on except in 1-2 places - Jordie being a case in point. My guess is the Foster Cartel will use the EOYT to fine-tune things and give the second-stringers game time.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024!
A lot of players will probably retire after RWC2023, (Whitelock, Retallick & Cane spring to mind) but there's been some really good development in the last 2-3 years - particularly in the Front row and loose forwards. Locks, 10 & midfield are where we need a load of change IMHO.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024!Almost makes sense though doesn't it, imagine the complaints if there were changes , how we not getting settled team etc. With ALB coming straight back in after 1 game more or less shows they have their team for WC pretty well sorted, with , and I would doubt whether there would be anymore than 1 or 2 bolters for it.(and would be disappointed if there was)
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The coaches do seem to back themselves developing a few players through the training ground. I guess that if they are fronting up against the firsts then being coached on it, there could be some logic to that and I have seen Ennor saying how much he is lerning.
It's kind of the opposite to 'here are your work ons, now go away and work on them'. They are being worked on at the source.
Ennor, LF, Fakatava, Perofeta, RTS, Vaa'i all seem to be in this camp. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.Yeah I would not read much into where they are listed ,
Beaudie is a 10/15
Jordie is a 12/15
Has to be listed in one or the other can’t be both
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.Yeah I would not read much into where they are listed ,
Beaudie is a 10/15
Jordie is a 12/15
Has to be listed in one or the other can’t be both
If you watch the on-field alignments (especially after second phase), numbers aren't meaning much. This is the modern thinking that Eddie Jones is after but struggling with as he is ahead of the club coaches in that regard.
Havili, JB, RI, WJ, BB, RM, ALB, SP, LF probably even Ennor and Reece are "multi-positional" to different degrees.
For RWC squads this is great as you often end up making compromises or selecting a jack of all trades for one precious squad spot.
For example, I imagine that it wouldn't be too hard for Havili and JB to mix and match during a game depending on the pictures being shown by the opposition. -
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
To be honest I don’t care where a player wants to play. It isn’t their call.
Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to lock him into one position based on a performance against an average side instead of celebrating the option that we now have and can develop through a game shuffle or even during play. It’s a way too simple way of looking at things IMO.
If Jordie ends up our starting 12 at the RWC that’s great, but narrowing options at this stage smacks of bad planning -
Yeah I think the smart move is ,
We like what we saw of him at 12 , let’s have more of a look at it , be surprised if he doesn’t start there in the first big game against wales ,
But no need to box him in and shut down other options at this stage if it doesn’t work out as well as first thought
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
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@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.I think we like about JB is that he hits the line hard, straight and in the space between defenders. He may not always break it but he bends it enough to take a meter or two and threaten an offload. He probably showed more in one game than DH has all year so it was exciting to watch.
I think we all get that, and I myself am no fan of Havili but let's see JBs performance for what it was. A very good one against an average Oz team having a bad day.
That doesn't mean that Jordie shouldn't be in the running for a permanent move just that the cries that that the coaches would be crazy not to cement him in there are also well ahead of themselves.
There are 4 options for the 12 jersey in this squad. God knows why RTS is still there except to get a thank you for turning up run against Japan. I think that an ALB/RI combo could be interesting to see as well.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
Give the man a start at centre.
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@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader Fullback to 13 is so last century!
But 2nd 5 to centre is definitely in.
Only AB to start at 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15
