All Blacks 2022
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ennor and RTS lucky to be there - otherwise it looks good.
The real interest is in who is named in the AB XV squad tomorrow. The positions of who is named may hint at which players in this AB squad might get a run for the AB XV.
To be replaced by?
The Umaga-Jensen brothers (assuming they are not injured)
That's a very unsafe assumption.
Even a brief highlights package of Welly v hawkes showed a decent amount of footage of an injured PUJ I think he lightly pushed someone and hurt his shoulder.
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@number9 said in All Blacks 2022:
Ennor fucking seriously????? Shit he must have an Aunty banging Fozz has been shithouse for the last 2 years. Bullshit selection.
Or Jason Ryan threatening to resign if enough Crusaders weren't picked.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Bit disappointing with a few selections,
But no real surprises
Kinda agree. Ennor & RTS are the iffy ones for me
they are certainly hoping that some players come right in the next 12 months instead of looking to develop some.
They seem to have decided to draw a line under developing players and that experience is more important leading up to RWC2023. Just need to make sure players like LF, Fakatava & Perofeta get plenty of game time.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
No way he would've called Ennor in if he thought jordie was anything but a stop gap midfielder in his eyes. He's still the same coach
Wouldn't read too much into which section the players are in. JB's had one start at 12 and Foster will want to see how he goes against a NH team before deciding he's the next Nonu.
Ennor is a weird selection though. Perhaps he's the fifth wheel if Havilli needs to cover at FB
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Bit disappointing with a few selections,
But no real surprises
Kinda agree. Ennor & RTS are the iffy ones for me
they are certainly hoping that some players come right in the next 12 months instead of looking to develop some.
They seem to have decided to draw a line under developing players and that experience is more important leading up to RWC2023. Just need to make sure players like LF, Fakatava & Perofeta get plenty of game time.
Hope so
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ennor and RTS lucky to be there - otherwise it looks good.
The real interest is in who is named in the AB XV squad tomorrow. The positions of who is named may hint at which players in this AB squad might get a run for the AB XV.
To be replaced by?
The Umaga-Jensen brothers (assuming they are not injured)
You know, that doesn't scream "pick these guys"!
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@Victor-Meldrew well hooker was one I was disappointed with, one of Coles or Taylor needed to drop to the AB XV and give someone a chance in the ABs, neither have shown much this last 12 months
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@taniwharugby I think Coles has been good. He's no ST but no one is and he's backed up well.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew well hooker was one I was disappointed with, one of Coles or Taylor needed to drop to the AB XV and give someone a chance in the ABs, neither have shown much this last 12 months
Yeah, good point. You could argue perhaps it comes down to experience and handling pressure in big games. But then you remember Taylor's performance and handling pressure in big games
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Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024! -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024!This^
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No real surprises - or should I say bolters - in the squad, other than ALB and a luckier than lucky Ennor-subject to injury?
Would have been nice to see Levi Aumua, Telea for RTS and Ennor. and asafo Aumua for Taylor and Harmon, AJ Lam fitted in somewhere...sigh. But you can't have everything. Love to see the above who missed out plus George Bell named in the AB XV. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
I think his A team is pretty nailed on except in 1-2 places - Jordie being a case in point. My guess is the Foster Cartel will use the EOYT to fine-tune things and give the second-stringers game time.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024!
A lot of players will probably retire after RWC2023, (Whitelock, Retallick & Cane spring to mind) but there's been some really good development in the last 2-3 years - particularly in the Front row and loose forwards. Locks, 10 & midfield are where we need a load of change IMHO.
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@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help. -
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
Hell or highwater Foster is taking his boys through to the RWC. He has his team and form or combos don't seem to count for much. This is not a complaint, just an observation.
However, no matter what happens at the RWC, I am more than convinced the ABs need a completely clean slate from 2024!Almost makes sense though doesn't it, imagine the complaints if there were changes , how we not getting settled team etc. With ALB coming straight back in after 1 game more or less shows they have their team for WC pretty well sorted, with , and I would doubt whether there would be anymore than 1 or 2 bolters for it.(and would be disappointed if there was)
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The coaches do seem to back themselves developing a few players through the training ground. I guess that if they are fronting up against the firsts then being coached on it, there could be some logic to that and I have seen Ennor saying how much he is lerning.
It's kind of the opposite to 'here are your work ons, now go away and work on them'. They are being worked on at the source.
Ennor, LF, Fakatava, Perofeta, RTS, Vaa'i all seem to be in this camp. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.Yeah I would not read much into where they are listed ,
Beaudie is a 10/15
Jordie is a 12/15
Has to be listed in one or the other can’t be both
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants
Does he not have eyes?
Jordie put in a near perfect performance at 12 after the slop served up by Havili.
Seriously, if he shuffles Jordie back to 15, fuck him.Really liked what Jordie did against Wallabies bit rein it in a little bit Frank, I not sure too may NH teams will put up such a week defensive 10 and 7 for Jordie to run through. I can't underrstand why everyone so worried if he named in tour squad as an outside back etc, hell Perofeta and BB are both named as 10s, doesn't mean they won't play at 15 if wantes, same as Scott Barrett at lock, he will play at 6 if it suits them.
I would add, although I don't consider Ennor as much, I not convinced Aumua is any better, another player I think may get stuffed a bit with strong defesive team, and certainly not one to create a lot for his outsides, though some good work on development team may help.Yeah I would not read much into where they are listed ,
Beaudie is a 10/15
Jordie is a 12/15
Has to be listed in one or the other can’t be both
If you watch the on-field alignments (especially after second phase), numbers aren't meaning much. This is the modern thinking that Eddie Jones is after but struggling with as he is ahead of the club coaches in that regard.
Havili, JB, RI, WJ, BB, RM, ALB, SP, LF probably even Ennor and Reece are "multi-positional" to different degrees.
For RWC squads this is great as you often end up making compromises or selecting a jack of all trades for one precious squad spot.
For example, I imagine that it wouldn't be too hard for Havili and JB to mix and match during a game depending on the pictures being shown by the opposition. -
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
Jordie was on TV this morning and they asked him about where he wanted to play and he danced around the subject not really committing to either, saying he is just happy if he gets to start.
To be honest I don’t care where a player wants to play. It isn’t their call.
Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to lock him into one position based on a performance against an average side instead of celebrating the option that we now have and can develop through a game shuffle or even during play. It’s a way too simple way of looking at things IMO.
If Jordie ends up our starting 12 at the RWC that’s great, but narrowing options at this stage smacks of bad planning
