All Blacks 2022
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@taniwharugby There were several ABs staying out for photos and autographs. From what I've seen on social media, at least, Ardie Savea, David Havili and Will Jordan did.
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@Stargazer did wonder if it was just typical social media BS.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
You know what's irked me, seeing true blue kiwis absolutely dining out on beating their own country. I can't even greatly enjoy a win over an old club, I'll be fucked if I'm all glee and rainbows at beating the ABs.
I suppose they were “rejected” by NZ and been a raging success in Ireland. How Francis saili got selected ahead of Aki, I’ll never know. A black mark for Hansen there.
Aki never gave it a chance. Had a good season then buggered off.
Edit: to me he's the equivalent of TUJ, but he was nowhere near as good as those ahead of him.
Yeah, there's a bit of revisionism around Aki ever since he started playing for Ireland. He left NZ after 2 seasons of Super rugby and had signed overseas well before the end of his second season.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer did wonder if it was just typical social media BS.
Plus, if there's photos of them smiling with fans some whiners will complain they're not taking the loss seriously enough.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
I have seen a few comments on social media about how the ABs didn't stay out and mingle and do autographs after the game...assuming it is true, i understand the boys will be gutted (you'd hope) but they still need to be doing that stuff, or did the booing hurt thier feelings?
Then I see ones about James Lowe out for ages after signing autographs and gave away his boots.
Optics matter, especially for a team that is in a bit of damage mitigation.
Ardie and Sam Whitelock were out there and on TV taking photos with the fans about the same time James Lowe gave away his shorts amidst a wardrobe failure!
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so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
so if we were to name a squad for TRC, what changes would we see if we had one squad picked by Fozzie, and one picked by Razor (if that happened) how many differences would there be?
Who'd be toast, who'd be bought in?
I don't think there would be massive changes to players, but we might actually have a gameplan
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@Machpants yeah I'm thinking maybe only 3 or 4 to the squad
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
If he wants to succeed he will need to take the best the country has. Not just his own players. The task is to get the best out of the best players. Otherwise he might as well stay in Chch
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Worth a punt, then, on George Bridge getting another shot at the big time if Razor gets the job.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Yeah rubbish, for SR yes, but he now has an entire country to pick from. He's a pro coach, not a fucking idiot, like Foster
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another pointer to how ill prepared we are and void of any kind of game plan (that mickey mouse wasnt aware of) was the fact Ireland pretty much followed the same plan in the opening stanza in each test, and scored early in each test.
How we were unable to counter this says it all really.
I wonder if there are stats available on how many times other teams score first against us?
We have always been slow starters, but the last 3 weeks have been so soft watchint the Irish do the same thing each week.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
If he wants to succeed he will need to take the best the country has. Not just his own players. The task is to get the best out of the best players. Otherwise he might as well stay in Chch
It's only natural he will have an affinity for Grace, Blackadder and perhaps even Christie. Which isn't wrong, I'm just saying I highly doubt you would get that blues trio in his squad.
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@Bones not that I'm saying more 'saders should be there, but it certainly makes you wonder how thier team and having a gameplan would have fared against the Irish.
I'm thinking they would likely not have done worse at least in part to thier defensive structure.
Razor and his team did well pulling the Crusaders together and forulating a plan to nullify the Blues, I suspect he'd have had some ideas about dealing with the Irish too; other than 3 quick passes to static runners, kick it in behind, then try to tackle them
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Yeah rubbish, for SR yes, but he now has an entire country to pick from. He's a pro coach, not a fucking idiot, like Foster
Yep, Razor doesn't do favourites, so he'll cull whoever he thinks can't do the job at this level. It will be totally irrelevant who they play for in Super Rugby. He'll make the tough decisions.
I also think it's premature to speculate who will be culled (and that includes Taylor, Cane, props, all the Barretts), because he'll have a better idea of how to get the best out of players than Foster and co. Players who haven't been firing the last few years, might get a new lease on AB life with a different preparation, changes in training methods, game plan and also culture.
He may not be able to change everything at the same time (and this year), because there are tests to be played and you can't make too many changes all at once (players have to learn new game plans/structures), but I think the changes will be thorough.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I'd say Blues fans might not be happy with the starting XV. We still need to find a 2nd 5 regardless who the coach is.
I'm curious to see what Razor could do fitting a few of the better Blues players into his system. Maybe he could get more out of Akira, Paps and Sotutu than Foster clearly could. They haven't reached their ceiling yet
I can't see all of them surviving a Razor cull.
Razor also likes Taylor and Ennor...
Yeah rubbish, for SR yes, but he now has an entire country to pick from. He's a pro coach, not a fucking idiot, like Foster
Yep, Razor doesn't do favourites, so he'll cull whoever he thinks can't do the job at this level. It will be totally irrelevant who they play for in Super Rugby. He'll make the tough decisions.
I also think it's premature to speculate who will be culled (and that includes Taylor, Cane, props, all the Barretts), because he'll have a better idea of how to get the best out of players than Foster and co. Players who haven't been firing the last few years, might get a new lease on AB life with a different preparation, changes in training methods, game plan and also culture.
He may not be able to change everything at the same time (and this year), because there are tests to be played and you can't make too many changes all at once (players have to learn new game plans/structures), but I think the changes will be thorough.
A visible plan and pattern would be good. Even a simple one. Our boys looked lost out there last night, on defence and attack. I still can't get over seeing them like that
