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    In a way I hope we lose next week, lose the Bledisloe and Rugby Championship, it’ll be the only way for us to get a new coach.

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    @Gunner said in All Blacks 2022:

    In a way I hope we lose next week, lose the Bledisloe and Rugby Championship, it’ll be the only way for us to get a new coach.

    Your hope that NZR would have the balls but I honestly don't know

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    @Gunner said in All Blacks 2022:

    In a way I hope we lose next week, lose the Bledisloe and Rugby Championship, it’ll be the only way for us to get a new coach.

    Yeah nah. That's pretty abysmal. And won't work anyway.

    Even if we got rid of Foster, the next coach is on a hiding to nothing unless we get a caretaker in until after RWC. But I think Eddie isn't available.

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    @Gunner

    Serious question:

    If the new coach doesn't make much of a difference (as has happened before) what should be done then?

    How many Bledisloe's and RC's would you want to lose to then get yet another coach?

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    @Gunner said in All Blacks 2022:

    In a way I hope we lose next week, lose the Bledisloe and Rugby Championship, it’ll be the only way for us to get a new coach.

    Nah.

    I think we can win next Saturday. Change a few tactics, not all of them because there was some good in amongst all the dropped ball, poor kicks and poor decision making.

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad. Nothing for granted and more work needed and all that. But for me that can be a great positive for improvement.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Gunner said in All Blacks 2022:

    In a way I hope we lose next week, lose the Bledisloe and Rugby Championship, it’ll be the only way for us to get a new coach.

    Nah.

    I think we can win next Saturday. Change a few tactics, not all of them because there was some good in amongst all the dropped ball, poor kicks and poor decision making.

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad. Nothing for granted and more work needed and all that. But for me that can be a great positive for improvement.

    We'll win. I sound like you, but I'm confident that we'll see a response.

    Until the next WC, we'll be up and down, then our next coach will have a chance to build a squad for the future.

    Paps likely as captain. The key point is identifying the right game drivers now and having them in place - let's hope Fakatava is as good as he looks.

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    @gt12 I have great faith in Fakatava, would be keen to see him start against Argentina & possibly Aussie in the rugby championship, will be interesting to see how long Perofeta has to wait until he's introduced into the test 23

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    @FakatavaAllBlack said in All Blacks 2022:

    @gt12 I have great faith in Fakatava, would be keen to see him start against Argentina & possibly Aussie in the rugby championship, will be interesting to see how long Perofeta has to wait until he's introduced into the test 23

    Yeah, I don't want to really think about first five, as we'll lose Barrett, Mo'unga most likely, and probably Dmac (possibly could stay if he became no.1).

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad.

    That's a pretty sad state of affairs though eh.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad.

    That's a pretty sad state of affairs though eh.

    If NZ squeak a win next week I very much doubt there'll be a host of celebratory hands in the air.

    They would have been targeting 3 zip as the only pass mark.

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    @Frye said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad.

    That's a pretty sad state of affairs though eh.

    If NZ squeak a win next week I very much doubt there'll be a host of celebratory hands in the air.

    They would have been targeting 3 zip as the only pass mark.

    Not foster, he has low expectations, and high excuses

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    @Frye as I said in the other thread, surely that and retaining the Bledisloe should have been non-negotiable KPIs for this season.

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    @antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    Stuart is an Ardie fan too.

    'Not good enough': English scribe wants Sam Cane dropped as All Blacks captain

    'Not good enough': English scribe wants Sam Cane dropped as All Blacks captain

    An outspoken English rugby columnist has deemed Sam Cane as

    Cahooy was pretty good on the wing for the All Blacks during the WC it has to be said.

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    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Frye as I said in the other thread, surely that and retaining the Bledisloe should have been non-negotiable KPIs for this season.

    not saying its a pass and it hasnt happened yet, but I thought before the series a 2-1 win might be where we are at right now with this current ireland side , regardless of the history

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    @kiwiinmelb wasnt it about a year ago they would have been negotiating his contract?

    At that time, surely NZR had 2022 KPIs written in, that was pre-NH tour...

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    @Frye said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad.

    That's a pretty sad state of affairs though eh.

    If NZ squeak a win next week I very much doubt there'll be a host of celebratory hands in the air.

    They would have been targeting 3 zip as the only pass mark.

    I’m not sure if it was or wasn’t, but from my perspective we have a depth problem on a couple of fronts - we lack some hardened test players in several positions and for some positions we are only one injury away from being exposed. So we are vulnerable to losing (as much as any other tier 1 test team out there).

    These aren’t excuses for Foster but areas where we need to continually work and build on. What’s on Foster and the other coaches is if they doing the things to address that.

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    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Frye said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:

    A series win against Ireland would do wonders for the confidence of the squad.

    That's a pretty sad state of affairs though eh.

    If NZ squeak a win next week I very much doubt there'll be a host of celebratory hands in the air.

    They would have been targeting 3 zip as the only pass mark.

    I’m not sure if it was or wasn’t, but from my perspective we have a depth problem on a couple of fronts - we lack some hardened test players in several positions and for some positions we are only one injury away from being exposed. So we are vulnerable to losing (as much as any other tier 1 test team out there).

    These aren’t excuses for Foster but areas where we need to continually work and build on. What’s on Foster and the other coaches is if they doing the things to address that.

    Yeah but that's the thing, they're absolutely not.

    It took complete fate to end up with Taukieaho, Akira and Rieko.

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    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Frye as I said in the other thread, surely that and retaining the Bledisloe should have been non-negotiable KPIs for this season.

    You talk like the NZR have things like this in the contract, I honestly don’t think they do, otherwise the defeat to Argentina should have seen the back of Foster. Not losing to a country ABs have never lost before is a non negotiable for a coach IMO. Last time it happened we got late, lazy Hansen and the 2015 game plan for ‘four more years’

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    @Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Frye as I said in the other thread, surely that and retaining the Bledisloe should have been non-negotiable KPIs for this season.

    You talk like the NZR have things like this in the contract, I honestly don’t think they do, otherwise the defeat to Argentina should have seen the back of Foster. Not losing to a country ABs have never lost before is a non negotiable for a coach IMO. Last time it happened we got late, lazy Hansen and the 2015 game plan for ‘four more years’

    We have been in gradual decline both in coaching and players since 2018. We can only hope we start pulling out of it soon. Probably not going to happen until 2024. But what we need is a Black Ferns style insurrection and coaching change. Forget winning 2023 and allow Razor to come jn and rebuild without external pressure of expectations

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    you know what is fucking me off?

    look, i know PR is a thing, and you need to plant your own message

    but seriously, the relentless optimism and excuse making is pretty fucking rough to take. Just once, admit we were a bit shit and we have some stuff to work on? Shit even Craig Bellamy will tell you when things aren't going well, and they win like 80% of the games they play.

    Last year it was a tough end to a long year.
    This year, when surely Ireland have that excuse, it's cards and unforeseen circumstances.

    We're not improving mate. Saturday looked a lot like Dublin in November. A smashed pack rendering our backline useless. Our ball slow, their ball not, creaky set piece.

    South Africa (loss)
    USA (win)
    Wales (win)
    Italy (win)
    Ireland (loss)
    France (loss)
    Ireland (win
    Ireland (loss)

    that's fucking dogshit. Admit it is FFS.

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