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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

    @pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.

    I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.

    I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.

    I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad

    Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?

    He just doesn't get aroudn the paddock, moves reasonably slowly. I think it's fine at Super, but can see his mobility issues being brutally exposed at the top level.

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bones said in All Blacks 2022:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:

    @pakman One thing this season has shown is that Romano got sidelined too early for the ABs and Crusaders.

    I don't think he'll make it, but he wouldn't be a bad pick.

    I respectfully disagree. His lack of athleticism is usually covered in Super, but he'd be horribly exposed in tests. Fascistic experienced leader, but he's not a credible option at the top level.

    I'm a fan, but the only scenario they turn to him for is deep injuries in the squad

    Just going off the eye test, he seems to have been pretty busy for a decent amount of minutes when he's played... what's lacking?

    He just doesn't get aroudn the paddock, moves reasonably slowly. I think it's fine at Super, but can see his mobility issues being brutally exposed at the top level.

    Is Whitelock any more mobile?

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):

    Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)

    Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)

    Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)

    Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)

    Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)

    No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)

    Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)

    Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/128928523/all-blacks-may-omit-tj-perenara-but-wholesale-changes-are-unlikely

    That won’t be far off at all.

    I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.

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    @sparky said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    Paul Cully with his possible AB squad (including 5 new caps):

    Hookers: Codie Taylor (Crusaders), Samisoni Taukei’aho (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes)

    Props: Nepo Laulala (Blues), Ofa Tuungafasi (Blues), Angus Ta’avao (Chiefs), Ethan de Groot (Highlanders), George Bower (Crusaders), Aidan Ross (Chiefs)

    Locks: Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Sam Whitelock (Crusaders), Josh Lord (Chiefs), Tupou Vaa’i (Chiefs), Scott Barrett (Crusaders)

    Loose forwards: Sam Cane (Chiefs, captain), Ardie Savea (Hurricanes), Dalton Papalii (Blues), Akira Ioane (Blues), Luke Jacobson (Chiefs), Hoskins Sotutu (Blues), Shannon Frizell (Highlanders)

    Halfbacks: Aaron Smith (Highlanders), Brad Weber (Chiefs), Folau Fakatava (Highlanders)

    No 10s: Beauden Barrett (Blues), Richie Mo’unga (Crusaders)

    Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)

    Outside backs: Caleb Clarke (Blues), Sevu Reece (Crusaders), Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes), Will Jordan (Crusaders), Stephen Perofeta (Blues)

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/128928523/all-blacks-may-omit-tj-perenara-but-wholesale-changes-are-unlikely

    That won’t be far off at all.

    I hope Alex Hodgman makes the cut. I think they will go with David Havili ahead of Leicester F. Rest looks right.

    I don't know if Lester confirmed any doubts in the semi but he was fairly anonymous. I don't see him as any more than midfield cover or an attacking wing. He seems to be a bit of a flat track bully. Shines when the opposition suits him but does little otherwise.
    Good player but I dont see where he fits at the moment.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)

    My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.

    Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane

    I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)

    My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.

    Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane

    I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)

    Could be. The cupboard is really bare, so they might just roll the dice and pick a newbie for 13.

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    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

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    11pm UK time. At my age, I'm not that dedicated...

    17 minutes...

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    replied to Duluth on last edited by taniwharugby
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    @Duluth yeah I think Goodhue has shown he has lost another yard of pace so isnt really a viable option at 13 any longer against top flight opposition, so can only be considered a 12, and is he the best, or even 2nd best 12 in NZ?

    But I am a big fan of Sullivan though, seems to ooze class.

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    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)

    My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.

    Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane

    I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)

    So options are Sullian, Fainga’anuku, Ennor?
    Does the scenario you explain stay the same when ALB returns or do we play different styles depending on selection/ availability/ opposition

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    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

    Midfielders: Rieko Ioane (Blues), Jack Goodhue (Crusaders), Quinn Tupaea (Chiefs), Roger Tuivasa-Sheck (Blues), Leicester Fainga’anuku (Crusaders)

    My issue with this group of midfielders is who the backup 13 is. The Blues use Ioanes pace in a lot of moves and I'm sure the AB's will as well.

    Goodhue cannot slot in and play a similar role to Ioane

    I'd like to see Sullivan in there as a centre/wing ahead of LF (who is a wing/centre)

    I think I'd prefer Sullivan but Ennor also has pretty good pace and would be closer to a Rieko like for like to the selectors eyes (I think). I can't see Sullivan getting a go - I expect him at 13 for the Maori, which is still a huge leap from where he was last year.

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    @pakman TJP is who I am thinking of getting the Māori lifeline. This could apply to Weber as well, as it makes sense to have one of them starting against the Irish rather than getting limited minutes off the bench, or not even being in the 23 for the ABs.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

    Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out

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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

    Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out

    That would make final juicy.

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    @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

    Paywalled

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    @Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

    Paywalled

    Here's Liam Napiers squad prediction:

    Possible All Blacks squad:
    Outside backs: Will Jordan, Jordie Barrett, Caleb Clarke, Sevu Reece, Leicester Fainga'anuku
    Midfield: Rieko Ioane, Quinn Tupaea, David Havili, Jack Goodhue, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
    First fives: Beauden Barrett, Richie Mo'unga, Stephen Perofeta
    Halfbacks: Aaron Smith, Finlay Christie, Folau Fakatava
    Loose forwards: Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Dalton Papalii, Akira Ioane, Luke Jacobson, Shannon Frizell
    Locks: Brodie Retallick, Tupou Vaa'i, Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett, Josh Lord
    Hookers: Codie Taylor, Samisoni Taukeiaho, Dane Coles
    Props: Ofa Tuungafasi, Nepo Laulala, Ethan de Groot, George Bower, Tyrel Lomax/Angus Ta'avao, Aidan Ross

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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

    Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out

    That makes no sense at all, he is the form loose forward in NZ, there is no way Frizzel should be ahead of him.

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    @Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:

    @pakman said in All Blacks 2022:

    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

    It would be sensible to have some like-for-like replacements in key positions like centre. Losing Rieko would completely change the potency of the midfield and backline for the worse. Sullivan will get his chance for the Māori if he doesn't make the ABs. A strong performance in those games will help his cause.

    So how many AB careers end today? Bridge would have to be the obvious candidate, but there are a few others that are 50/50 for selection, and others who could have the Māori lifeline (overlooked but not completely).

    Bridge/TJP? https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/the-likely-all-blacks-ian-fosters-two-difficult-phone-calls/XMZEWSXE3FB5WNR2VATNRQ56YU/

    Liam Napier picking Sotutu to miss out

    That is complete bullshit if he does

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    Napier is also going for an extra outside back instead of a loose forward. That makes no sense, given the attrition rate for the loosies.

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