All Blacks 2022
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
He's too small, call me back when he hits 114kg.
TUJ featured in the team that thrashed England 64-17 in the Final.
No need for his whole CV, he's on the list, I was only joking about his weight.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
I'm not sure AB selectors write a player off after one poor performance in a bad team match, shit actually scratch that they wrote of Reiko and Ben Smith that way. QT is done.
So our 12 options are:
A dude who shit the bed tonight.
A dude who flopped in test rugby last year.
A league player.
A fullback.Any others I've missed?
2017 U20 World Championship winning no.12 Thomas Umaga-Jensen? Now weighing in at 108kg.
But always injured.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I’ll be hoping he (and other Blues) have an absolute shocker, as I want the underdog Saders to have a home GF.
FWIW, I think QT still makes the AB squad.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I’ll be hoping he (and other Blues) have an absolute shocker, as I want the underdog Saders to have a home GF.
FWIW, I think QT still makes the AB squad.
Interesting take, and don't take this the wrong way, but even if the Chiefs had won tonight, I'd be supporting the Blues tomorrow.
I want kiwi teams and kiwi players in the final.
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@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
I think the Irish Test series is absolutely key after last year and probably as important as TRC & Bledisloe. We need to win it and win it well. If we win the first 2 Tests & wrap up the series then absolutely try out some new people like RTS. I hope the AB coaches have a real good look at him in the wider squad and develop him in a sensible way and just hope they don't throw him in the deep end. I'd love to have someone like RTS competing for a starting slot by the EOYT.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
A player can look a million dollars playing in a dominant team, but crap under pressure in an average one. And we don't have the luxury of trying him out with Ma'a on the bench if it doesn't work out
My point was that SBW wasn't thrown in the deep end after a few games. He had a long intro to RU, had plenty of experience at Toulon under Tana, looked great against England and even then was pretty much exposed against Wales.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I agree. I hope he does well and I think he's a real talent. I just want that talent handled as well as possible in a Black shirt so we end up with an SBW (without the occasional brain-farts) rather than a Henry Paul.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frye said in All Blacks 2022:
Is it even conservative to pick Goodhue for a test when he hasn't shown any form since his injury? Seems like it would actually be the riskier move.
If he goes reasonably OK, I'd think Foster will think it's less risky than picking a bloke who's played less than 10 games of top-level Union and zero Tests, or a relative novice like QT, than a bloke with 70 games and 19 Tests.
Sensible action you would think would be to just pick the best performer from RTS, JG or QT over the next 2 weekends?? I know it's a wild idea right?? Especially since they are all in action and super rugby playoff rugby is as close to test rugby as you're gonna get.
I'd think and hope the selectors take a bit more notice of a player's ability than 2 games of Super Rugby. They have in the past - otherwise Ma'a would have been dropped in 2010 or 2011.
Although apparently SBW didn't perform very well in 2010 for the ABs. So RTS is obviously not going to either?
Not sure the point you are making here, though it might be a reference to my earlier comment that SBW's lack of RU experience, despite nearly 2 years in top-flight Union, was exposed by Wales and was a risk which didn't pay off, and he was pulled halfway thru the match.
Let's just overlook the fact that SBW hadn't actually played super rugby yet, he'd only NPC. Actually he hadn't even played NPC playoff rugby as the All Blacks were pulled before then. Definitely a fair equivalence to compare the two then..... lol
I think we need to be a bit more humble and not think that NZ Super rugby is so much better and superior to NH & NH Premiership rugby (just check out our performance against NH sides recently).
I'd also argue that the idea that a bloke with 8 games at Super Rugby level is as prepared and experienced for Test level as the likes of Gary Ringrose, Bundi Aki & Robbie Henshaw and that playing him at Test level doesn't carry a big risk, is a bit fallacious.
Very natural progression for RTS to play finals super rugby and then move up to a home test series. If this was a Bledisloe or a Bok test at altitude then I'd be inclined to agree but it's not.
It's the perfect opportunity to blood him.
Again I don't think SBW is a fair comparison because RTS simply would have played a higher standard of competition than what SBW had played up to that point. They're different players anyway.
Of course it's still somewhat moot, RTS still needs to do the business tomorrow. Hopefully pundits will be barracking for him to do well rather than hoping for a barry crocker so they can win arguments on the internet....
I’ll be hoping he (and other Blues) have an absolute shocker, as I want the underdog Saders to have a home GF.
FWIW, I think QT still makes the AB squad.
Interesting take, and don't take this the wrong way, but even if the Chiefs had won tonight, I'd be supporting the Blues tomorrow.
I want kiwi teams and kiwi players in the final.
I can’t stand the Brumbies and if it were a regular season game, yep would be wanting the Blues to smash em. But a home final is on the line and that is massive - as would EP be for the Blues.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking Finau
Was keeping an eye on him on your recommendation. Think he played himself out of immediate contention with one play, or non play, on Grace. Unforgivable.
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@Bones Just remember who he was operating outside of. Gatland is predictable and offered no ability to break the line so they could focus on Tupea. I not saying he the best we have but I must be hard looking at 2 tacklers in front on you all the time.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones Just remember who he was operating outside of. Gatland is predictable and offered no ability to break the line so they could focus on Tupea. I not saying he the best we have but I must be hard looking at 2 tacklers in front on you all the time.
That's not the case.
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@number9 said in All Blacks 2022:
After tonight's game, Hodgman secures on the LH positions, RTS needs more time, Robinson 100% should be in.
I can see Perofeta in the squad and in the 23 for one of the later tests. Turning into a very safe, mature player.
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Who does Robinson get in there for? He played very well tonight no doubt about it.
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@Stargazer He can take longer to return if he likes. He has been underwhelming for a couple of years now. Has no go forward and we need that in our props.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer He can take longer to return if he likes. He has been underwhelming for a couple of years now. Has no go forward and we need that in our props.
Might come back refreshed and rejuvenated! Can get some inspiration from Laulala.
