All Blacks 2022
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
Despite this comment, I think you're a pretty big fan of his - evidenced by how often you defend him and hype him.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
It's possible but it would be a terrible selection. For experience? He's played a moderate number of Tests for very little reward.
In the AB's pattern Tu'u would be a 6 and he's a better option. If he improves his off the ball work he could be a like for like cover for Akira. There's so much more upside to selecting Tu'u
Robinson is also showing good form now he's over his injuries. Even Sowakula would be a better choice
Agreed all around. However I don't think this coaching team will make any of those choices. I hope I'm wrong.
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I realise Frizell hadn't played in a long time but on Saturday he did his usual act of running really hard until he hit the defensive line where he went nowhere - reminiscent of what he looks like at test level.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level,
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Have they said how long Papalií will be out?
When Ennor had appendicitis last year they said about 5 weeks, so I presume about the same - which would make him available for tests 2 & 3 vs Ireland.
So assuming Ethan won't be available, maybe there's two slots up for grabs probably between Jacobson, Frizell, MMT, Robinson and Grace. Anyone else that might be in the picture? Maybe Harmon if they decided they needed another specialist 7?
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anyone see anything on TUJ's injury?
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I would be mighty surprised if Frizell misses out, he was best 6 by quite some until he got injured earlier in super this year, and I don't go along with crap he has been given a go an you didn't think he went well at test level, I reckon he ready now.
He was erratic in SR. He had a shocker against the Crusaders
My opinion was while he was playing he was best 6 in comp, and I not a particular fan of his or anything. he only 6 that carried well in tight situations.
Despite this comment, I think you're a pretty big fan of his - evidenced by how often you defend him and hype him.
One thing I enjoy in forums who know how I think without even knowing me, must be great to be such a know all. I don't defend him, but thought at begiining of season he was best No 6, I have also said I think Akira is looking like he has it in him to be the better No 6, despite never being a fan of his, but of course I never actually got your opinion to tell me if I was or not. I genuinely believe that a lot of players improve and as an AB supporter, I want them to improve and am happy when they do. I have a bit of a rule that I try not to judge on what was and judge on what hopefully will be!
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort -
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
anyone see anything on TUJ's injury?
Unforunately fot TUJ, regardless of state of injury I doubt whether he has actually been on field to get selected as a newbie? May well do in future ,but may need to put together a few games in a row.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B Liam Napier reported it's not as bad as first feared and Dalton is a chance for the first test.
I won't be real surprised to see him get on at 6 sometime this season.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort
Ok this argument I simply do not get.
His first test against Aus in Brisbane he was excellent for 20 minutes before having to come off which in hindsight was a mistake (Ofa got red-carded).
His second test he had an absolute blinder vs Argentina
Last year he was outstanding in the Bledisloes before struggling vs the Boks.
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@Dan54 would still like to know how bad it was
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
I expect 2 new props and one new back minimum. Maybe two or three others through injuries. For me, Newell, Ross and either Fainga'anuku, RTS or B Sullivan. Maybe the chance for a bolter in the loosies and Perofeta/Moorby in DMac spot. Maybe Fakatava, but he is 4th in my view. Not sold on Sowakula and would start Finau over him for semis. I like Tom Robinson, but Vaii has surpassed him. So, maybe Frizell gets another chance... I think we to trial a bruising enforcer at 6 or 8, with Akira more of a wide spaces specialist.
Still think Jordie is the best bet for 12.
I'm not sure what to think about loosehead possibilities. I was thinking de Groot might be vulnerable, but last weekend for whatever reason he had Ofa in a lot of trouble. So, in my mind, he was the biggest mover.
I'm thinking that if they pick Bower, Hodgman and de Groot, they've also got Moody in the wings - and that would be enough. But, last year I thought Ross would get picked and then I think he might have got injured? Or maybe his slot just got taken by de Groot bolting in?
Fozzie's interviews seem to suggest that Jordie will at least begin at fullback. If no-one nails 12 though, I hope we see him get a run there later.
Given the amount of utility in the backs, I reckon we might see a 21-15 split (it's what I would do):
6 props
3 hookers
5 locks
7 loose forwards3 halfbacks
2 first fives
5 midfielders
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if i am picking 6 loosies
Akira
Sotutu
Papali'i
Savea
MMT
FinauFinau is my bolter because he likes to hurt people, and we don't have many of those. Also, as i said yesterday, i've picked my starting 4, and then guys i would want to swap in if they aren't available.
Also Savea is a 7/utility bench option, not an 8I am also well aware that this is a mile from what they will pick.
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@mariner4life You're not picking Cane?
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@mariner4life possibly the biggest hitter in nz now. Keen to see how he goes v Crusaders.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life possibly the biggest hitter in nz now. Keen to see how he goes v Crusaders.
Unfortunately he'll be back on the bench.
IMO Jacobson makes more dominant tackles than any other Chiefs player, but they don't always make the highlights as they are in the closer channels.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
if i am picking 6 loosies
Akira
Sotutu
Papali'i
Savea
MMT
FinauNote that MMT is only 24. He's still building, looks fantastic with high upside.
Also, Blackadder is older than Akira (!)
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Note that MMT is only 24. He's still building, looks fantastic with high upside.
Jacobson, Papalii, and MMT were the loose forward trio when NZ last won the U20 WC in 2017. They were a very good combination.
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@Bovidae said lots of time before i love to see combo's of players picked together
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You would think that the injury to Blackadder gives Jacobson the spot as the player who can cover all three positions, his work at 7 has been pretty good.
I'd have Vaaii in my squad (and I think he'll be picked), so I'm not sure whether they need Frizell.
It could be between him and Jacobson for the last spot (assuming 6 picked plus a lock/6). So, my guess is they'll go something like:
Cane
Papalii
Savea
Sotutu
Akira
Frizell / JacobsonBBBR
Whitelock
Barrett
Vaii lock / 6There is likely space for one more, either Lord of another loosie.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
You would think that the injury to Blackadder gives Jacobson the spot as the player who can cover all three positions, his work at 7 has been pretty good.
I'd have Vaaii in my squad (and I think he'll be picked), so I'm not sure whether they need Frizell.
It could be between him and Jacobson for the last spot (assuming 6 picked plus a lock/6). So, my guess is they'll go something like:
Cane
Papalii
Savea
Sotutu
Akira
Frizell / JacobsonBBBR
Whitelock
Barrett
Vaii lock / 6There is likely space for one more, either Lord of another loosie.
Jacobson would be more useful than Frizzell, covering more positions so more of a like for like swap with Blackadder.
Added bonus of not drunkenly beating up women and their partners.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I will add Akira has been selcted at super and test level for very little reward, but as I said that was in past and believe he has high ceiling when he puts in effort
Ok this argument I simply do not get.
His first test against Aus in Brisbane he was excellent for 20 minutes before having to come off which in hindsight was a mistake (Ofa got red-carded).
His second test he had an absolute blinder vs Argentina
Last year he was outstanding in the Bledisloes before struggling vs the Boks.
Yep to be fair, Akira has been good against Aussie, and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons, up until then he killed it at NPC level, even his own coaches were publicly saying he needed to work harder. I still maintain he has a higher ceiling than most of our 6s, and he will show it against the big packs one day, and then will I think be right.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2022:
Note that MMT is only 24. He's still building, looks fantastic with high upside.
Jacobson, Papalii, and MMT were the loose forward trio when NZ last won the U20 WC in 2017. They were a very good combination.
I see huge upsides with Jacobson, who has shown he can play pretty well in any loose forward position, and with Blackadder out and way he has been playing would be very surprised if he not in squad.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 would still like to know how bad it was
Sorry did I miss something, how bad what was??
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life You're not picking Cane?
nope
Still think Cane has got one of biggest engines in our loosies, and will be in, he is really suited to test rugby, he like a certain RM who just never stops, I have tended to think that when I watch him live. Mind you I in no way putting down Papali'i who is another getting like it.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 would still like to know how bad it was
Sorry did I miss something, how bad what was??
TUJ's injury...you know....the comment you replied too
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 would still like to know how bad it was
Sorry did I miss something, how bad what was??
TUJ's injury...you know....the comment you replied too
Sorry mate, I guess I showing my age, can't remember what I posted 5 minutes before
No haven't heard anymore on it,guess noone chased it up with Highlanders being out? It didn't look flash. -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
guess I showing my age, can't remember what I posted 5 minutes before
There's no hope for remembering previous test level performances by AB 6s then eh...
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@mariner4life maybe I misread this:
a perverse part of me wants them to go in to the first test with all of Bridge at 11, Goodhue and Havili midfield, Blackadder at 6, Reiko the bench as excellent cover/impact, Laulala to start,
just for the epic melts (of which i will gleefully partake myself) -
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life maybe I misread this:
a perverse part of me wants them to go in to the first test with all of Bridge at 11, Goodhue and Havili midfield, Blackadder at 6, Reiko the bench as excellent cover/impact, Laulala to start,
just for the epic melts (of which i will gleefully partake myself)definitely says i want them to lose. look, right there in black and white
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
guess I showing my age, can't remember what I posted 5 minutes before
There's no hope for remembering previous test level performances by AB 6s then eh...
Mate ask my missus, I can remember details of games from 70s etc that I watched, how players went, but not what she asked me to do 5 minutes ago, and what is posted on internet by myself or anyone else is of so little importance, it struggles to stay in my memory, and I admit that. I can remember what mates I go to rugby say from years back, but I guess it's because I know they rugby men?? I don't know anyone on here!
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
If you go up this thread, you see he was probably as influential (or more) than Ardie for defenders beaten etc in the black jersey too. He had a bad game against the Boks, but almost everyone did.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant I think there could be a new tighthead prop to replace Taavao and Lomax. I'd pick Newell, but it could be Jager. Next couple of weeks will be interesting there.
The loose forward injuries potentially open up a chance for someone - I previously had 6 spots inked in and a plus one, who could have been capped or uncapped. Now there's likely plus three - with Ioane, Cane, Savea and Sotutu inked in. MMT and Robinson probably the best uncapped chances, since I don't think they'll pick an uncapped 7 unless we lose Cane or Savea.
There's probably at least one spot available in the midfield - I think RTS has the inside running, Sullivan if they're prepared to take two newbies.
And probably one in the outside backs - could go to a fullback (probably Perofeta) or a wing (Leicester, Talea or some other bolter).
Newell had a mare against the Reds. He was surprisingly well dominated by his opponent at scrum time, conceding two successive penalties. Jager or maybe Williams could be the bolter on the TH side.
He did not have a mare. Jager was better than expected but newell looks very promising. There have been a heap of crap props in recent times but some of the youngsters look full of potential.
He is very promising but I maintain he had a mare against the Reds. It's a bit too early for him IMO. He should be in the squad next year or for the EOYT.
I can’t see the mare he had,the Crusaders dominated the Reds scrum in both halves of the game .
The two penalties you are talking about was a slip and the other was against Williams both given by a complete idiot in Pickerall who wouldn’t have a clue what he was looking at in the front row. -
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
and in super has really only played well last couple of seasons,
Huh, you have real Akira blinkers, he was carving up at Super level at least as far back as 2018. He was the Blues MVP that year.
Bullshit maybe 2018, but he hardly carved anything up in 2017, that was when the likes of Buck etc were saying we know he can be great, when he ups his workrate. Isn't 2019 the year he was sitting in the stands chowing down in pies because he struggled to get on the bench, I remember because I got on his wagon thinking he was going to be really good, and it was almost he was trying to prove me wrong, he did very little in super. He carved up at NPC, but not super. He has done that last 2-3 years only really and not consistently, same as test rugby one or two tests he looks like he breaking out and been great, but not really stamped his name in it as yet. I still hope and think he will, he just needs to remember when he has a good one what he does and repeat it. Mate there is no way I against him, like every player with high ability (well NZ ones) I want them to flourish!!
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Anyway who are the hookers is as straight forward as Taukeiaho, Taylor and Aumua?
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