All Blacks 2022
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@mariner4life Mooar wasn't a good coach, both Mansbridge & Razor couldn't wait to get rid of him as he wasn't supported or rated by the players or fellow coaches, it's well documented that he was considered a liability.
As for McLeod, he was the weakest link (by far) in an international worthy coaching group that included Jamie Joseph, Tony Brown, Clarke Dermody - and the very highly regarded John Preston.
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@kiwi_expat yeah no shit, you are making my point back at me
again
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@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ïf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
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@Chris-B said in Blues v Reds:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ïf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
it would at least be fun to watch come together
but, knowing NZ rugby's absolute hard on for rotation and "building depth" it would be given one test and then there would be two changes, no matter what the performance looked like.
(i blame 2011 and the need for 8 first fives for this fucking obsession with having every player in the country getting a run to build experience)
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Joe Schmidt reveals the blueprint to Ireland's success over the All Blacks
Former Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt has detailed how he planned the country's first-ever wins over the All Blacks.
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@mariner4life To be honest - I think a part of that rotation is to keep key players from fucking off overseas.
e.g. If you tell either of Beaudy or Richie, "You're clearly number 2", you're risking them thinking, "Well in that case I might as well pick up my multi million pound, franc, yen cheque".
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
@kiwi_expat TBF, when the AB appointments were made, none of those were really on the radar, it was a 2 horse race between Foster and Razor, and the former had a huge headstart.
I think NZR placed too much emphasis on continuation following 2011/2015 sucesses, meaning it didnt seem they went through the process properly post 2019 RWC.
The problem is NZR (like every other union on the planet does..) needs to initially seek out the best available head coach -irrespective of age, nationality or experience - and then assist in building the best possible support team around them, that's how Aus got (Rennie, McKellar, Wisemantel, Taylor, Du-Plessis).
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@Chris-B said in Blues v Reds:
@mariner4life To be honest - I think a part of that rotation is to keep key players from fucking off overseas.
e.g. If you tell either of Beaudy or Richie, "You're clearly number 2", you're risking them thinking, "Well in that case I might as well pick up my multi million pound, franc, yen cheque".
which makes them weak fluffybunnies. They are getting paid the same to sit the pine or start FFS
And seriously, this isn't 1987 any more. The bench is getting big minutes every week.
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If NZ Rugby hired an Englishman to coach the All Blacks people would burn HQ to the ground
And rightly so.
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@mariner4life or an Eddie Jones...although right now you get the feeling people would be more open to a foreign coach than ever before
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@mariner4life Not sure they're doing it entirely for the money though - or, when you get to the RWC play-offs, that you're going to give your bench first five anything more than token minutes.
You've seen it over the years with a handful of people we wanted to keep - Piutau, Luatua - who fucked off because they didn't feel enough love.
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@mariner4life.. perhaps not in the head role but if Steve Borthwick OR Shaun Edwards were available in a technical capacity you'd bloody well take them (7 six nations titles combined) and extensive wildly successful coaching experience at every level, you'd be insane not to take advantage of their individual expertise.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life.. perhaps not in the head role but if Steve Borthwick OR Shaun Edwards were available in a technical capacity you'd bloody well take them (7 six nations titles combined) and extensive wildly successful coaching experience at every level, you'd be insane not to take advantage of their individual expertise.
i agree, but then i am far more pragmatic than most
and the post directly above yours is the key reason it won't happen.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ïf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
Overly simplistic take, size matters depending on the contrast between their height & weight dimensions.
Jordie doesn't provide the right type of size at 12, he's 196cm tall yet only weighs 100kg - ideal for a 15, tall/skinny/longer-levers, good under high ball, long raking punt etc..) in comparison, Nonu was 182cm & 108kg, those are completely different dimensions.
Closest we did have to those Nonu type dimensions was Laumape at 177cm & 103kg. I'd be looking at Thomas Umaga-Jenson because he consistently makes significant metres over the advantage line, he's 187cm & 108kg.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Joe Schmidt reveals the blueprint to Ireland's success over the All Blacks
Former Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt has detailed how he planned the country's first-ever wins over the All Blacks.
He is a very switched-on man, he kind of helped set the blueprint on how to beat the AB's with most sides playing that suffocating style. If you don't give the AB's turnover ball or unstructured play you have a far better chance of beating us.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Joe Schmidt reveals the blueprint to Ireland's success over the All Blacks
Former Ireland head coach Joe Schmidt has detailed how he planned the country's first-ever wins over the All Blacks.
He is a very switched-on man, he kind of helped set the blueprint on how to beat the AB's with most sides playing that suffocating style. If you don't give the AB's turnover ball or unstructured play you have a far better chance of beating us.
Didn't Gatland do that with the Lions first? Not only did they smother us with the rush defence, but it was very noticeable how they did everything they could to not let us take advantage of any of their knock ons etc. They disrupted like maniacs.
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@Crazy-Horse Ireland 2016, Lions 2017, capiche?
and that was Andy Farrell (not Gatland) coaching Lion's defense btw.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I'd quite like that as well.
Jordie providing more size in the midfield (than last year). Clarke a power wing.
Rieko, Jordan and Beaudy with a ton of pace.
If it all came together it would cover most bases - though that "ïf" contains a fair bit of wishful thinking!
Overly simplistic take, size matters depending on the contrast between their height & weight dimensions.
Jordie doesn't provide the right type of size at 12, he's 196cm tall yet only weighs 100kg - ideal for a 15, tall/skinny/longer-levers, good under high ball, long raking punt etc..) in comparison, Nonu was 182cm & 108kg, those are completely different dimensions.
Closest we did have to those Nonu type dimensions was Laumape at 177cm & 103kg. I'd be looking at Thomas Umaga-Jenson because he consistently makes significant metres over the advantage line, he's 187cm & 108kg.
Jordie Barrett weighs in significantly more than 100kgs!!! He was 102kgs several seasons back and I'm sure he's got heavier.
He's pretty close to SBW size and brings a few extra skills compared to SBW.
