All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@sparky said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim I rate both De Groot and Hodgman, Bower less so. Karl T is a strength man but doesn't offer much with the ball in hand.
Karl T does actually seem to be okay on attack - he just doesn't carry as often as some of the props. Similarly, he doesn't make many tackles. Presumably he needs to keep working on his fitness.
As much as I like the guy, unless he is winning scrums, there doesn't seem to be much reason to be picking him ahead of some of these other options e.g. Hodgman.
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Ypu could always rely on Franks to move bodies at ruck time. He was really excellent at it
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@mariner4life if he got there
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October 2023 might be a year too far for Moody, and a year too early for the likes of Norris and Brewis.
Bower's scrummaging and physicality are not at the required level against teams such as England, Ireland, France and SA.
So it is urgent to develop players like De Groot and Hodgman. They are young, big, dynamic and physical. Their scrummaging needs a lot of improvement but this can be fixed. But I am more worried about their lack of mongrel. They must be tested during the series against Ireland where they would face the world's best THP. A serious challenge that should provide some answers or more head-scratching. -
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@crucial yeah, can't say I've paid huge attention to his scrummaging, but I don't recall him being that bad. He's often doubted for his size but he doesn't show it around the field.
If he can come on, hold up his side and provide a point of difference I'm all for having a look.
Edit: Numia I mean.
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Norris is a converted no.8 so is still learning his trade. I thought he showed a big improvement in his scrummaging last year for both the Chiefs and Waikato. There are quite a few young props in the 21-23 yr age bracket who just need more game time and experience.
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With Newell's squat record, and a rugbypass article on Tamaiti Williams moving to tighthead, I've been thinking a little more about tighthead props recently, so I've run some numbers for them.
These are the stats for the NZ tightheads over last years Super Rugby competitions. Once again, I've adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins - though the "Time" column now gives a rough idea of how many mins they spent on the field (rough because I've had to make some assumptions, like every game being 80 mins, due to data limitations).
And as a comparison, the props from the Australian teams.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
With Newell's squat record, and a rugbypass article on Tamaiti Williams moving to tighthead, I've been thinking a little more about tighthead props recently, so I've run some numbers for them.
These are the stats for the NZ tightheads over last years Super Rugby competitions. Once again, I've adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins - though the "Time" column now gives a rough idea of how many mins they spent on the field (rough because I've had to make some assumptions, like every game being 80 mins, due to data limitations).
And as a comparison, the props from the Australian teams.
Fletcher Newell looks like the new Franks alright. Fuck-all metres, no defenders beaten, passes from the pod, misses 2 tackles for every 10 made.
Doesn't stack up that well, but I'm still confident for him.
Jager looks good, Laulala looks very average, and Ofa's stats show his upside. Mafileo looks like a Lomax that can scrummage.
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Newell only played 50 odd mins, so might not be enough to go off. He was a very good runner a couple years back for the u20 team, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets that trained out of him.
I might see if I can get his NPC stats (off rugby pass - ew)
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Newell only played 50 odd mins, so might not be enough to go off. He was a very good runner a couple years back for the u20 team, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets that trained out of him.
I might see if I can get his NPC stats (off rugby pass - ew)
We could just guess and that would likely be about as accurate as their stats.
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@crucial said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Those Oz stats show up Tupou's lack of tackle workrate. Maybe he is told to hang back to punch the ball up from a turnover or maybe he's a lazy fecker when he hasn't got the ball?
I've made the point previously that he loses the ball in contact a heap and then appears to do no work in defence.
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I split the rugby stats posts to a new thread:
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NZ hookers - again, these are the stats one might expect to see over an 80 min game based on their output in the Super Rugby competitions last year. Actual mins played (as best as I can calculate it) is included on the far right.
Frustratingly, they have "Throws Won" but not "Throws Lost".
