All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 Where are those stats from? I've found the Rugbypass data to be pretty poor.
The data is from Opta, so the stats provider that NZ rugby uses.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
Yeah, there will be guys who come off the bench late in the game, and will probably get relatively more run metres and less tackles because of that.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
I love this data btw, it's really cool!
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bones said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim yeah I saw, I was just surprised he hadn't really been talked about already. I know nothing of him, but the stats look handy.
He's had fuck-up game time so far, but I hope he turns out good. That data doesn't have total minutes played, but I assume his are really low.
I'll try include actual mins played in anything else I put out there. Ollie Norris had 300 mins.
I love this data btw, it's really cool!
Great, I'll try and share little snippets of it where it might be relevant. I don't have much for NPC or All Blacks, unfortunately. But if people find reliable sources for these I can see if i can do something with those too.
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@sparky said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim I rate both De Groot and Hodgman, Bower less so. Karl T is a strength man but doesn't offer much with the ball in hand.
Karl T does actually seem to be okay on attack - he just doesn't carry as often as some of the props. Similarly, he doesn't make many tackles. Presumably he needs to keep working on his fitness.
As much as I like the guy, unless he is winning scrums, there doesn't seem to be much reason to be picking him ahead of some of these other options e.g. Hodgman.
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Ypu could always rely on Franks to move bodies at ruck time. He was really excellent at it
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@mariner4life if he got there
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October 2023 might be a year too far for Moody, and a year too early for the likes of Norris and Brewis.
Bower's scrummaging and physicality are not at the required level against teams such as England, Ireland, France and SA.
So it is urgent to develop players like De Groot and Hodgman. They are young, big, dynamic and physical. Their scrummaging needs a lot of improvement but this can be fixed. But I am more worried about their lack of mongrel. They must be tested during the series against Ireland where they would face the world's best THP. A serious challenge that should provide some answers or more head-scratching. -
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@crucial yeah, can't say I've paid huge attention to his scrummaging, but I don't recall him being that bad. He's often doubted for his size but he doesn't show it around the field.
If he can come on, hold up his side and provide a point of difference I'm all for having a look.
Edit: Numia I mean.
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Norris is a converted no.8 so is still learning his trade. I thought he showed a big improvement in his scrummaging last year for both the Chiefs and Waikato. There are quite a few young props in the 21-23 yr age bracket who just need more game time and experience.
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With Newell's squat record, and a rugbypass article on Tamaiti Williams moving to tighthead, I've been thinking a little more about tighthead props recently, so I've run some numbers for them.
These are the stats for the NZ tightheads over last years Super Rugby competitions. Once again, I've adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins - though the "Time" column now gives a rough idea of how many mins they spent on the field (rough because I've had to make some assumptions, like every game being 80 mins, due to data limitations).
And as a comparison, the props from the Australian teams.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
With Newell's squat record, and a rugbypass article on Tamaiti Williams moving to tighthead, I've been thinking a little more about tighthead props recently, so I've run some numbers for them.
These are the stats for the NZ tightheads over last years Super Rugby competitions. Once again, I've adjusted them for the amount of game time. The figures are essentially what we might expect from each player if they were to play for 80 mins - though the "Time" column now gives a rough idea of how many mins they spent on the field (rough because I've had to make some assumptions, like every game being 80 mins, due to data limitations).
And as a comparison, the props from the Australian teams.
Fletcher Newell looks like the new Franks alright. Fuck-all metres, no defenders beaten, passes from the pod, misses 2 tackles for every 10 made.
Doesn't stack up that well, but I'm still confident for him.
Jager looks good, Laulala looks very average, and Ofa's stats show his upside. Mafileo looks like a Lomax that can scrummage.
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Newell only played 50 odd mins, so might not be enough to go off. He was a very good runner a couple years back for the u20 team, but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets that trained out of him.
I might see if I can get his NPC stats (off rugby pass - ew)
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