Wales v Australia
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@machpants said in Wales v Australia:
Rugby should only be transmitted in SD, using blurry cam then we'd miss all the ref howlers like the good old days
Or, alternatively, you could see as many as you want - viewers choice
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@derpus said in Wales v Australia:
@kiwimurph given the reffing bias its a minor miracle it wasn't chalked off.
Rassie really has poisoned the well
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@tim said in Wales v Australia:
Thomas very lucky not to be red carded.
A deliberate knock down is fine if it doesn't go forward?
Are you just winding me up?
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@kiwimurph said in Wales v Australia:
Anyone else thing White was lucky not to be done for holding on for his try?
Looked to me like he was tackled short and then launched himself rather than simply reaching out.
Was actually my first instinct, given the officials had missed so much.
Honestly, how the fuck could ALL FOUR OF THEM miss the collar tackle Wright put in down the sideline?
Forget the big incidents - the amount of little shit that the ref's assessor will be noting down from this game for all of them...
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Wallabies coach Dave Rennie fumed about the officiating. “I thought some of the decision making tonight was horrendous, and played a big part in the result,” he said post-match.
“We’ll get an apology next week but it wont mean anything..
“I’ve been a professional coach for 20 years, and I’ve never gone in the media and had a crack at a referee or the referee group. But I felt I had to tonight.” -
@act-crusader first I've heard that a ref can make Rennie bloody angry.
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@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
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@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt. -
@crucial said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt.Can you knock on off the chest? Has to be hands and/or arms?
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@gt12 said in Wales v Australia:
Not like Rennie to have a moan.
He needs someone to blame and the referees, who go unarmed, will do.
Rennie has been given everything he has asked for, plus some - nice five star digs in Queensland, a 2021 squad of 63 or 100 or something - plus visiting old boys; spine coaches, edge coaches, channel, clutch and scone coaches (monitoring the kiddies for nightmares and such) and upright tackling technique coaches - he has a half dozen of them and doesn't it show! His lineout-chucking coach is Polota-Nau by the looks of it.
Warnie himself would note that they "cannot catch, cannot throw" still.
Rennie has been in the chair now for two years - he will be well aware that Australians Knuckles and Ewen McKenzie didn't even last that long. Deans did, but he spent half of his 5½ years battling Lord Two-Fathers' Wallabies.
He's got to find something or someone to divert attention, he's going to need the practice for the next two years.
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@booboo said in Wales v Australia:
@crucial said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt.Can you knock on off the chest? Has to be hands and/or arms?
Yup, has to be hands or arms. You do occasionally see what looks like a knock-on not given because the ref decided that it came off the chest, or even head, without touching hands. But it's so hard to tell because it's usually so fast - most often it happens when a back 3 player is trying to catch a bomb.
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@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
Yeah, I know what you mean. If he'd given a knock on everyone would have accepted it no issues because it just looked like one. If I later saw a replay that showed it went back I'd be mildly annoyed - a "what could have been" kind of annoyed though, not mad at the ref.
But yeah given that we have the replay we can see it was the right call. The ref deserves credit for this one for being just about the only person in the stadium who saw it correctly in real time.
Rennie's not doing himself any favours picking on this decision to whinge about. Pick one of the ones the ref got wrong instead.
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@booboo said in Wales v Australia:
@crucial said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Wales v Australia:
@barbarian said in Wales v Australia:
There's no doubt Wales got just about every 50/50 call, the Tomkins try included.
The worst call, though, was the collapsed maul turnover in about the 55th minute. A clear Wallaby penalty, with a case for a YC and maybe even a PT. And yet he somehow missed our ball carrier being dragged down from behind by a player not bound to the maul. Aggregious.
I was impressed with our heart, and ability to score tries with 14 men. It was a loss on the scoreboard but nowhere else.
Well neither the red card nor the Tompkins try were anything like a 50/50. It went back, and you can't give a knock on for a ball that goes back.
Was the maul the one in the corner near the Welsh try line? Agree that should have been a Wallabies pen
The red card was fine, no issues with that from me.
I think the Tomkins try was a 50/50, in the sense that if that happened in any other game I think it gets blown as a knock on or deliberate knock on and nobody really complains about it.
I liken it to the ball being passed to a player and it cannoning off their chest without touching their arms or hands. In a strict sense it's not a knock on, is it? But you very rarely see a referee play that interpretation.
So while you could say the Tomkins try is clear, I'd argue in reality it's a 50/50 call that fell to Wales.
The moment he dotted down it became a technical check in which he did nothing wrong. The only weird bit was that his action and intent were wrong but the execution fell his way. Went from a YC to a try from a very lucky bounce off the hand. Play the whistle lads and dispute it afterwards. Ref even called out that it went back.
Knock ons off the chest shit me no end. If you are going to be technically correct on that try then you have to do the same on a catch attempt.Can you knock on off the chest? Has to be hands and/or arms?
They have definitely been called as knock on’s.
Just on that Welsh try, I think it’s pretty harsh to say “play the whistle” when players stopped, even the eventual try scorer stopped momentarily.
Does anyone have this TMO ‘angle’ to watch again, because that didn’t look as definitive as being made out.
When it comes to knock on’s I’m actually a fan of the league way.
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@act-crusader what's the league way?
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@gibbon-rib they are far stricter on it. Any loss of control is pretty much a knock on unless it very clearly went backwards.
League do a few things better...
